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Assigned from FSB...

...with less than min report time. FSB starts at 4, crew sked wants to assign a 436 departure. Thoughts on how to handle? Outright no? Ask for add pay? Ask to modify pairing? Not sure how to approach.

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Originally Posted by okawner (Post 2564285)

Get up, go to the gate. That’s what FSB is.

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First, hopefully you let it go to voice mail since you’re relased until 1600.

Second, up to you — I’d likely show at 4, see what the scoop is (did whole trip get recrewed, FSB CA used too, or did FO call fatigue?), go to gate and push when you’re good and ready to safely do so.

Even if the push is late, they’re still well ahead of using a short call. And yes, they can assign the departure any time after you’re on, but they take the hit for any lates. You can ask for some add pay for on time, but up to them to give you any.

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Originally Posted by okawner (Post 2564285)

...with less than min report time. FSB starts at 4, crew sked wants to assign a 436 departure. Thoughts on how to handle?

FOM requires 60 minute show time to operate first leg of a trip, 30 minutes if DH. Showtime for FSB was 4p so it would be unlikely anyone would argue with refusing to accept an assignment that has a departure before 5p. Some might even say it would violate the FOM to accept an assignment that has an earlier push. Just like any other assignment, if you happen to push earlier no problem, but accepting an assignment with less than 60 minute could be.

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Originally Posted by APC225 (Post 2564463)

The way it really works is he shows up at 0400 for his FSB and gets assigned the 04XX departure... the flight will “actually” leave when he completes flight planning, setup, and checks. Oh yeah... No add pay.

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Originally Posted by okawner (Post 2564285)

Guys and Gals,

Here's the official answer from the union.

Lee

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Contract Interpretation and Administration

Short Notice Callouts on Short Call and FSB

There have been a number of recent incidents where a pilot on Short Call Reserve has been assigned a Basic Trip that is scheduled to depart in under 3.5 hours, or assigned a Global Trip that is scheduled to depart in under 4 hours. In some cases, the pilot has told the scheduler that he is unable to make that time and provided an estimated departure time, but the departure time has not been updated in the computer.
ALPA and the Company have discussed this, and agree that when this happens, if the pilot does not believe he has a reasonable chance of making the scheduled departure time, he should tell the scheduler what the estimated departure time is, and the scheduler will take steps to have the departure time updated to reflect this estimate. The pilot should check the website or the app to ensure the departure estimate has been updated correctly. Please note that the scheduler does not have the ability to change the departure time directly, so getting the departure delay posted will often take some time. Until the departure delay is officially posted, if the pilot is unsure the assigned duty period is legal, he should ask the FODM, FAR 117 Desk, or ALPA Contract Hotline to walk him through the calculation manually (based on his estimated departure time) to ensure he is not accepting an illegal assignment.

Field Standby:
Similarly, if a pilot on Field Standby is assigned to operate a Basic Trip that departs in less than 60 minutes, or a Global Trip that departs in less than 90 minutes, the pilot may notify the scheduler that he requires more time (up to the full 60/90 minutes), and in such case, the scheduler will take steps to have the departure time updated to reflect this estimate.
If the departure time is not updated to reflect the pilot’s estimated departure time, please contact a scheduling supervisor or the FODM for assistance.

The amount of time between FSB and actual push is not defined nor codified so your reply should be, I'll get there when I get there.

Quite frankly I see no reason to be hog-tied to any one local at the airport for FSB so if I decided to go for a run, all the while staying on the airport property, it could take a little while to get to the aircraft.

Our esteemed negotiators assured us during negotiations that this lamest of lame piece of the CBA would never be used and if it were, it would only be during dire emergencies.

Guess they got that one wrong !!

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2564963)

Remember though, being on reserve is a choice! I know because I done got told that here on the APC inter web.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2564963)

Slam dunk. Keep it up, we're in negotiations. Some need to add to their historical perspective.

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Originally Posted by 757Driver (Post 2564963)

A while ago, I was on field standby, (757) in my car with the engine running, in the employee parking lot, at 3:59 pm, (Bay bridge traffic,) finished at 4 pm, when the crew desk called and said get to gate 89 ASAP, (SFO). He was most annoyed when I told him how long it would take to change out of my t-shirt and shorts, into a uniform, and get to ops, flt plan, then to the gate.

I know, should have let it go to voice mail, and claim I was done. But I'm paid to be a pilot. When they call I try to follow the rules. That day, didn't really matter if I worked or not, so....

He was expecting about 15 minutes.....