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robthree 04-04-2018 09:17 AM

Career move
 
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread today. Can anyone share their experience using company paid moves, specifically the career move? Did it work out as advertised? Any pitfalls? Anything end turn out better than expected? What kind of timeline was involved?

Thanks.

rp2pilot 04-04-2018 12:46 PM


Originally Posted by robthree (Post 2564824)
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread today. Can anyone share their experience using company paid moves, specifically the career move? Did it work out as advertised? Any pitfalls? Anything end turn out better than expected? What kind of timeline was involved?

Thanks.

I used a Merger Move (CBA LOA 3), which had all the entitlements of the career move EXCEPT the positive space travel. Everything worked as advertised. The company outsources the expense reporting to another company; you submit/arrange all your entitled expenses through them (90 days of hotels, positive space house hunting trip for you and spouse, etc.). The people I dealt with were all very good and never had a problem. They also handle the interface with the moving company. If I remember correctly, we were allowed 20,000lb of household goods and two cars. All the specifics are spelled out in section 10 of the CBA.

ugleeual 04-04-2018 01:34 PM


Originally Posted by robthree (Post 2564824)
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread today. Can anyone share their experience using company paid moves, specifically the career move? Did it work out as advertised? Any pitfalls? Anything end turn out better than expected? What kind of timeline was involved?

Thanks.

you can download a "moving guide" on flying together specifically for pilots... spells out the entire process and benefits.

baseball 04-04-2018 01:57 PM

Career Move question:

Can you move to Florida and commute to EWR for a career move, or does it have to be in base/domicile?

rp2pilot 04-04-2018 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2565030)
Career Move question:

Can you move to Florida and commute to EWR for a career move, or does it have to be in base/domicile?

It's spelled out in Section 10 of the CBA, as are the rest of the details. New location must be within 200 miles of new base. So, no.

full of luv 04-04-2018 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2565030)
Career Move question:

Can you move to Florida and commute to EWR for a career move, or does it have to be in base/domicile?

Just wait for the UAL SE/Florida base to open....then you'll be in like flynn!

XHooker 04-05-2018 04:11 AM


Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2565067)
It's spelled out in Section 10 of the CBA, as are the rest of the details. New location must be within 200 miles of new base. So, no.

An important detail not spelled out in the CBA is it's statute, not nautical, miles and is calculated by roads, "not as the crow flies." Double check that, as it might be negotiable, but it makes a bigger difference than you'd think. If you're in Houston it puts SAT and CRP out of reach and if your in SFO it puts Reno out of reach.

CousinEddie 04-05-2018 04:33 AM

It appears now that under the new tax law company paid moving expenses will be treated as taxable income. It was a tax free benefit previously.

KSwift76 04-05-2018 05:38 AM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 2565348)
It appears now that under the new tax law company paid moving expenses will be treated as taxable income. It was a tax free benefit previously.

When I used a merger move, it was taxed. The company upped my income to cover the taxes and put it as a separate line item in pay.

BobWiley 04-05-2018 06:29 AM

[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2565067]It's spelled out in Section 10 of the CBA, as are the rest of the details. New location must be within 200 miles of new base. So, no.

Actually I think you are incorrect. The way I read it is that you must be within 200 miles of a place that your new base serves- not 200 miles from your new base.

full of luv 04-05-2018 08:21 AM

[QUOTE=BobWiley;2565419]

Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2565067)
It's spelled out in Section 10 of the CBA, as are the rest of the details. New location must be within 200 miles of new base. So, no.

Actually I think you are incorrect. The way I read it is that you must be within 200 miles of a place that your new base serves- not 200 miles from your new base.

Well that changes everything!

RJDio 04-05-2018 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by CousinEddie (Post 2565348)
It appears now that under the new tax law company paid moving expenses will be treated as taxable income. It was a tax free benefit previously.

I had one last year and it was treated as taxable income then. And at a pretty high rate. Some expenses were reimbursed individually and some in the 2 monthly pay checks.
But I was able to use it as a deduction where now you may not be able to?

RJDio 04-05-2018 08:55 AM


Originally Posted by robthree (Post 2564824)
I'm sure this has been discussed before, but I can't seem to find the thread today. Can anyone share their experience using company paid moves, specifically the career move? Did it work out as advertised? Any pitfalls? Anything end turn out better than expected? What kind of timeline was involved?

Thanks.

It's a great benefit. It will all be handled through NuCompass. There are some gotchas though. The employee moving handbook is pretty self explanatory but your case manager may have his/her interpretation.

You get up to 7 days paid in a hotel while you wait for your stuff. Our stuff took 14 days to be delivered. We broke up the days hotel-family-hotel. The handbook mentions 7 days, initial call with a NuCompass manager the above was reiterated. The case worker interpreted as 7 consecutive nights with a dollar limit ($120/per night), a tough order in the Bay Area. We were stuck with the bill on the second stay (within the 7 nights).

Car rental has a dollar limit too. Asked if insurance was covered up to their dollar limit. Was told yes. When we submitted the charge only the rate was reimbursed. The case manager's interpretation was only the rate and sales tax was covered, not insurance or one way special charges.

Overall it was a great experience. Pretty painless and well organized. Just try and get some of the benefits spelled out in writing from NuCompass in case there is some debate on what the intent is.

rp2pilot 04-05-2018 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by RJDio (Post 2565573)
It's a great benefit. It will all be handled through NuCompass. There are some gotchas though. The employee moving handbook is pretty self explanatory but your case manager may have his/her interpretation.

You get up to 7 days paid in a hotel while you wait for your stuff. Our stuff took 14 days to be delivered. We broke up the days hotel-family-hotel. The handbook mentions 7 days, initial call with a NuCompass manager the above was reiterated. The case worker interpreted as 7 consecutive nights with a dollar limit ($120/per night), a tough order in the Bay Area. We were stuck with the bill on the second stay (within the 7 nights).

Car rental has a dollar limit too. Asked if insurance was covered up to their dollar limit. Was told yes. When we submitted the charge only the rate was reimbursed. The case manager's interpretation was only the rate and sales tax was covered, not insurance or one way special charges.

Overall it was a great experience. Pretty painless and well organized. Just try and get some of the benefits spelled out in writing from NuCompass in case there is some debate on what the intent is.

Just an aside re: car rental .. If you book your rentals through the Skynet Employee Discount Site, the United Corporate rate will include the collision insurance.

rp2pilot 04-05-2018 09:39 AM

[QUOTE=BobWiley;2565419]

Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2565067)
It's spelled out in Section 10 of the CBA, as are the rest of the details. New location must be within 200 miles of new base. So, no.

Actually I think you are incorrect. The way I read it is that you must be within 200 miles of a place that your new base serves- not 200 miles from your new base.

Nope, you read that wrong.. the CBA says " The Pilot moves his primary residence to a location within 200 miles of any airport serving the Base of his most recent vacancy or displacement award" .. notice it says "serving", not "served". It's referring to "co-terminals", like EWR/LGA or IAD/DCA/BWI.

guppie 04-05-2018 09:46 AM


Originally Posted by BobWiley (Post 2565419)
Actually I think you are incorrect. The way I read it is that you must be within 200 miles of a place that your new base serves- not 200 miles from your new base.

So since we serve PVR from Denver, we can get a paid move to within 200 miles of PVR?? yippie chi ehh, mofo!! :D:D

dr650 04-05-2018 09:50 AM

Does this cover moving form one domicile to another? I live near EWR but considering a move to ORD.

XHooker 04-05-2018 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by dr650 (Post 2565631)
Does this cover moving form one domicile to another? I live near EWR but considering a move to ORD.

Yes. Your move must put you 50 miles closer to your new domicile than your present residence.

BobWiley 04-05-2018 01:05 PM

[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2565618]

Originally Posted by BobWiley (Post 2565419)

Nope, you read that wrong.. the CBA says " The Pilot moves his primary residence to a location within 200 miles of any airport serving the Base of his most recent vacancy or displacement award" .. notice it says "serving", not "served". It's referring to "co-terminals", like EWR/LGA or IAD/DCA/BWI.

Thanks for clearing that up :)

Zoomie 04-06-2018 12:44 AM

[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2565618]

Originally Posted by BobWiley (Post 2565419)

Nope, you read that wrong.. the CBA says " The Pilot moves his primary residence to a location within 200 miles of any airport serving the Base of his most recent vacancy or displacement award" .. notice it says "serving", not "served". It's referring to "co-terminals", like EWR/LGA or IAD/DCA/BWI.

Anyone have any luck with working with the moving company to pay the difference between the 200 miles from a hub to something further away?

robthree 04-06-2018 07:28 AM


Originally Posted by ugleeual (Post 2565001)
you can download a "moving guide" on flying together specifically for pilots... spells out the entire process and benefits.

Fyi, its on the Pilot Service Center page, here.

rp2pilot 04-06-2018 11:28 AM

[QUOTE=Zoomie;2566067]

Originally Posted by rp2pilot (Post 2565618)

Anyone have any luck with working with the moving company to pay the difference between the 200 miles from a hub to something further away?

As far as I know, that has NEVER happened. They measure the 200 miles as the crow flies, however, so you can move a little farther out than drive distance of 200 miles.

XHooker 04-06-2018 03:35 PM

[QUOTE=rp2pilot;2566355]

Originally Posted by Zoomie (Post 2566067)
As far as I know, that has NEVER happened. They measure the 200 miles as the crow flies, however, so you can move a little farther out than drive distance of 200 miles.

Are you sure about that? As I said earlier, I had seen elsewhere that it was statute miles driving. If you’re right, that’s good news.

EjetTaxi 06-11-2018 09:24 PM

Career move
 
Currently in LAX, trying to get to IAH. Seems like it's gonna be a while.... I can't take the career move to IAH until I'm awarded that domicile correct?


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