UND, United Airlines announce pilot pathway p
 

Wow, big stuff just announced.

UND, United Airlines announce pilot pathway program

https://bismarcktribune.com/news/sta...fc3de7368.html

Yep, pages worth

https://www.airlinepilotforums.com/u...ouncement.html

Yeah......so big we started talking about it a week ago....

It’s still on the first page....C’mon man:cool:

Yes, big stuff! :D I'm guessing that you're being facetious, but if not, why is this "big stuff"?

You pay for flight training and a degree at UND, then you're required to stay at the university for a "required amount of time" (per the announcement), then you get to go to a regional partner, and then I quit reading. It seems like the a normal career progression except you're pinning all options on the health of one airline. A clear win for UND as they get a carrot to keep instructors around for a while. Everyone else, not so much.

Still not as good as the ATCA one where you skip the regionals altogether and go right to United from Cfi. Apparently delta is cooking one of these up too.

That strikes me as idiotic. For the Captains anyway.

Deep in the article sounds like it said no structured interview required. So is this the first 141-Legacy actual, legit flow? Or do I just need another cup of coffee this morning.

I went to UND, can I go back??


https://www.grandforksherald.com/news/education/4459063-und-united-airlines-announce-pilot-pathway-program

UND, United Airlines announce pilot pathway p
 

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Haha
It’s all in the...


...Timing.

UND will be able to delay a student's career progression from UND instructor to regional FO. This is a manpower tool for the university to retain the instructors


UAL and UND have announced an agreement subject to the whim (i.e. Manpower retention) of Express CPA carriers.

Whipsaw much?

This is significant as a conditional job offer is being made, subject to the above hoops, to an unqualified applicant. It appears that pilot hiring is being farmed out to the universities. Traditionally, a UAL captain (ALPA member), has been a part of the pilot hiring process, I wonder how this will change that dynamic.

Much like the agreement with the other school, AND the CPP's. The initial language is vague at best. And will probably be subject to multiple additions and changes.


Agreed.

CPP = carrot dangle/retention scheme at the regionals.

This and others = carrot dangle/retention scheme at the college level.

Exactly.

Which means the prospective pilot can consider themselves on probation from day 1 of starting the UND program to end of year 1 at UAL. Assuming they make it there of course.

Yeah, seriously, can we? Class of '02, former intern while there...Nothing but the cold shoulder since the day I published my app.

Not to mention the argument over pass travel and line seniority

I talked to a current student there. He said they announced they need 150 Multi (basically forcing them to become MEIs unless they have the money to shell out for the additional 129 hours outside of the TCO), then they go to the partner regional until they get 2500 turbine, then into United.

Does that 2500 turbine require any PIC time?

He didn’t say. That’s what I was wondering. With some regionals struggling to get people into the left seat, it would make sense.

The ATCA program doesnt, and that’s straight from piston to UAL newhire.

I don’t see how they’d make it a requirement with this program since the pilot will get some ACTUAL 121 experience.

Maybe I missed it so apologize in advance. My question is: Doesn’t every pilot hired here have to have an ATP? And if that’s the case wouldn’t they already have their 500 of PIC?

Cheers,
Biff

Im proably misreading on what they meant regarding PIC/TPIC hence my post :o

Yeah one omitted and assumed letter on my part tripped you and others up. My apologies.

I was wanting to know if 121 TPIC would be required. If the regionals hire only FOs and don’t require them to upgrade, how will they source their Captains? My guess is it’ll require some left seat 121 time before leaving these regionals.

Thanks for the clarification.

Hence my response to Prex in that I’m sure there will be further language making it more clear and/or alteration to the conditions of making it to UAL.

With it slated to kick off in the fall I’m sure the finer details haven’t yet been made public. I would believe they would make some requirement to get them into the left seat prior to going up to UAL. Especially with a few of those partner regionals having a mass exodus of pilots to other regionals in the past year or so.