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Spoonluv 06-20-2018 06:31 PM

Honest?
 
Can we be honest for a minute...…

We are talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Not refugees - they can go to an office at ANY border location (and typically at an embassy in THEIR country) to apply. Legal immigrants continue to apply and be accepted into our land.

We are talking about people that CHOOSE to bypass the entire system that has been established for them..... they CHOOSE to circumvent the laws of our nation.

The libs want you to think that Trump doesn't care.....that he has no empathy....no sympathy..... but I recall him (and Obama and those before him) placing his hand on a bible and promising to uphold the CONSTITUTION of the United States.....to uphold our laws...… those PESKY things to you libs.....

So I suppose - if you are a liberal (mentally challenged) person - you would assume the above, means - only the laws and parts of the CONSTITUTION that you like on that day.

Haha! But the joke is on the libs! Unfortunately we live in a constitutional republic (look it up). The law of the land rules. If you don't like it - change it.

But I'm sure all you libs - have your front door unlocked at night -- just come on in -- regardless of who you are. Right?

You are all FRAUDS! LAWLESS FRAUDS! That's what you liberals are. You are opposed to everything this country stands for.

Any wonder why we have buried millions upon millions of Americans on American soil? That is/was because we believed in and fought for what was right - our IMPERFECT union. As a matter for fact - it is so RIGHT - that others are trying to break into it!

How about staying home and fighting for what is right, and dying for your country and freedom - just like our forefathers did. Make Guatemala Great Again....

Oscar is a joke. Complete moron to take sides......another CEO failure at United.....let me count....my 9th. No bother - will be gone soon enough.

BTW - why does United crew scheduling not let American pilots fly our planes......they are great people too.....why do we have company names ..... borders......totally RACIST! BIGOTED!!! They are just pilots wanting to fly planes......ITS NOT FAiR!!

terminal 06-20-2018 06:35 PM


Originally Posted by Spoonluv (Post 2618442)
Can we be honest for a minute...…

We are talking about ILLEGAL immigration. Not refugees - they can go to an office at ANY border location (and typically at an embassy in THEIR country) to apply. Legal immigrants continue to apply and be accepted into our land.

We are talking about people that CHOOSE to bypass the entire system that has been established for them..... they CHOOSE to circumvent the laws of our nation.

The libs want you to think that Trump doesn't care.....that he has no empathy....no sympathy..... but I recall him (and Obama and those before him) placing his hand on a bible and promising to uphold the CONSTITUTION of the United States.....to uphold our laws...… those PESKY things to you libs.....

So I suppose - if you are a liberal (mentally challenged) person - you would assume the above, means - only the laws and parts of the CONSTITUTION that you like on that day.

Haha! But the joke is on the libs! Unfortunately we live in a constitutional republic (look it up). The law of the land rules. If you don't like it - change it.

But I'm sure all you libs - have your front door unlocked at night -- just come on in -- regardless of who you are. Right?

You are all FRAUDS! LAWLESS FRAUDS! That's what you liberals are. You are opposed to everything this country stands for.

Any wonder why we have buried millions upon millions of Americans on American soil? That is/was because we believed in and fought for what was right - our IMPERFECT union. As a matter for fact - it is so RIGHT - that others are trying to break into it!

How about staying home and fighting for what is right, and dying for your country and freedom - just like our forefathers did. Make Guatemala Great Again....

Oscar is a joke. Complete moron to take sides......another CEO failure at United.....let me count....my 9th. No bother - will be gone soon enough.

BTW - why does United crew scheduling not let American pilots fly our planes......they are great people too.....why do we have company names ..... borders......totally RACIST! BIGOTED!!! They are just pilots wanting to fly planes......ITS NOT FAiR!!

Actually, the issue is the separation of children whose parents are seeking asylum… Not illegal immigrants, not people sneaking over the border… People who are attempting to come here and seek asylum.

But the facts haven’t mattered to Republicans since March of 2002-so why should they start mattering now

Ever been to a border crossing on land? Ever talk to the agents there? Ever been inside the building?

Flytolive 06-20-2018 06:38 PM


Originally Posted by Grumble (Post 2618432)
Last name starts with a B, I don’t remember.

That's what I figured. Let me guess where you "heard" the story.

Flytolive 06-20-2018 06:41 PM


Originally Posted by Spoonluv (Post 2618442)
Can we be honest for a minute...…

Not with all your erroneous assertions and weak-minded insults. Better luck with your second post.


Originally Posted by Spoonluv (Post 2618442)
BTW - why does United crew scheduling not let American pilots fly our planes......

I see you are a new-hire, but most United pilots are American.

Spoonluv 06-20-2018 06:47 PM

hahahaha!

typical LIBTARD.

So refugee arrives in El Paso - goes to the refugee office...…..and is separated and imprisoned! That's how it does.? Right...…….you are a DOLTARD just like they taught u to be on CNN.

Do me a favor. Next time u land in Mexico City....just run through immigration...…..if you are senior to me - I applaud it.


Damn CONSITUTION and RULE OF LAW keep getting in the way for you LIBS!!!!!! If only this where are Monarch rules by Queen Hillary!!!!!


BTW - YOU LOST!!

baseball 06-20-2018 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2618263)
If you consider less than 1% "often."

Wrong as proven by the last nine years at least.

Completely disagree. Way to go Oscar, Doug & Ed.

It's amazing at how ill-informed, angry and heartless so many people are.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with me. As someone who has conducted surveillance on the Texas border, and who has been out hunting in South Texas along the border I disagree. There is nothing to do with heart or heartless. It's simply border security, and National Sovereignty. For local folks around the border regions it's also physical security. For those interested in counter-terrorism it's all about protection of national and regional centers of gravity. If you are interested in drug trafficking, human trafficking, and illegal weapons trafficking then you should pay attention. You can either have security, or you can have something less than that. I submit heart or heartless has nothing to do with security. A cop wearing a bullet proof vest feels more safe and more secure. A home owner locking his or her doors at night is simply prudent for taking proper security measures. A car owner locking his doors and arming his alarm is simply managing and mitigating risk.

If you want to enter the USA, there are two ways to do it. Legally, or illegally. It's like making a withdrawal from a bank. You can either fill out your withdrawal slip or you can go in with a gun and a bag. One's legal, and the other one ain't.

We are either a nation of laws or we ain't. You are either pregnant or you're not.

Pretty simple really. Just follow the damn law. There's a bonus: we don't have to raise our domestic taxes to pay for illegal immigration and undocumented foreign nationals. We don't have to incarcerate them, educate them, or treat their physical and mental problems. They are foreign nationals, they are tax payers and citizens of other nations. They should simply follow the rules, comply with the law, and wait their turn.

BMEP100 06-20-2018 06:49 PM


Originally Posted by MaxQ (Post 2618419)
The narrative has gotten a bit skewed.

It has not been considered illegal in the past to try and gain entry into the USA as a refugee. While in the past the US has denied entry to some requesting status, criminalizing such a request is a new twist.
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Still is not illegal...IF you present yourself at the border to an agent and ask to apply for refugee status. That's not what is happening here, as I'm sure you know unless you live under a rock. These people are crossing the border illegally, and trying to avoid authorities. When they are captured, they then cry "Refugee" as they have been coached. Those adults are processed, which takes time and includes an identification process which takes a long time in many cases because they lie about never being here before illegally. During that process, the small minority, less than 18% who have their own children with them are separated because they are in fact breaking the law and must be sent back. Our government is not so heartless as to house those children with other adults or leave them wandering the desert, so,they are kept with only other children to protect them.

Now if you come to the border to apply for asylum, you are given forms to file, and then told to wait on the other side of the border for the investigation and a hearing....with your children.

This was all explained to me by a BP agent escorting a prisoner to Newark for deportation. Every week now same thing. People from India are coming across the southern border. Those are the ones they catch, who can't pass themselves as Hispanic.

Btw, many of the girls they find as young as 11 have birth control pills given them by their parents when they sent them across with a group and a coyote, because so many are raped south of the border by the coyotes...who are sometimes caught as well.

The president has really stepped on his crank when he caved. There are just not enough facilities to house families securely, as a unit while protecting the kids from other adult detainees.
CBP is in a tizzy about what to do now.

Grumble 06-20-2018 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Flytolive (Post 2618447)
That's what I figured. Let me guess where you "heard" the story.

If you’re going to say the WSJ you’d be correct.

Flytolive 06-20-2018 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2618455)
There is nothing to do with heart or heartless.

I noticed you didn't mention about the unnecessary separation of children from their parents. How convenient.


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2618455)
Pretty simple really. Just follow the damn law.

Lots of these people are trying do just that and the Trump Administration is sending them away from the valid ports of entry and there are a myriad of other gray areas. I know that might make some uncomfortable, but it is not black and white.


Originally Posted by baseball (Post 2618455)
They should simply follow the rules, comply with the law, and wait their turn.

So easy to say when yours and your children's lives aren't being threatened. As I said, heartless.

Flytolive 06-20-2018 07:22 PM


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2618456)
Still is not illegal...IF you present yourself at the border to an agent and ask to apply for refugee status.

Actually, it is happening, but the Trump administration is saying that it is now illegal and only presenting yourself at port of entry from which they are turning people way is legal.


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2618456)
During that process, the small minority, less than 18% who have their own children with them are separated because they are in fact breaking the law and must be sent back.

The decision was formerly left to the discretion of US attorneys like a myriad of other issues for the last nine years. Trump took the discretion out of their hands with regards to immigration, zero tolerance.


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2618456)
Now if you come to the border to apply for asylum, you are given forms to file, and then told to wait on the other side of the border for the investigation and a hearing....with your children.

Cool. How long does that take? Are those safe environs on the other side of the border?


Originally Posted by BMEP100 (Post 2618456)
The president has really stepped on his crank when he caved. There are just not enough facilities to house families securely, as a unit while protecting the kids from other adult detainees. CBP is in a tizzy about what to do now.

Wow. Maybe they should have thought of that before they changed the policy.


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