Is SFO going to get a stipend like GUM?
07-11-2018, 01:29 PM
#71
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Originally Posted by XHooker
Why do I get the impression you picked this thread up three posts ago and don’t even know what’s being discussed? Yes, I should have said CHOOSE to do, but the point was no domestic base should get a stipend because most of our bases have cost issues and this job allows most of us to make choices about where we live. BTW, even communists can move (sometimes). Domestic COLAs aren’t gonna happen.
07-11-2018, 05:39 PM
#72
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Domestic base COLA not going to happen. What would benefit most UAL pilots?
How about a "commuter allowance". This would cost you money. Positive space domestic commute. Check that box for a fixed amount of money each month. 100 dollars per commute? 50?
Even the JR 777 Captain on reserve in PHX would rather sit around his pool in boxers and black socks at home, than in his crashpad.
What percentage of UAL pilots commute? Years ago I heard it was 2/3. Now I don't know. If it benefits the majority of pilots, why not take a look outside the box.
I don't like UPS's system. Most pilots would just pocket the money, and still jumpseat.
Since most UAL domiciles are not affordable, why not make commuting easier? Maybe give up a few bucks per hour, for all of us, and give all of us the option?
How about a "commuter allowance". This would cost you money. Positive space domestic commute. Check that box for a fixed amount of money each month. 100 dollars per commute? 50?
Even the JR 777 Captain on reserve in PHX would rather sit around his pool in boxers and black socks at home, than in his crashpad.
What percentage of UAL pilots commute? Years ago I heard it was 2/3. Now I don't know. If it benefits the majority of pilots, why not take a look outside the box.
I don't like UPS's system. Most pilots would just pocket the money, and still jumpseat.
Since most UAL domiciles are not affordable, why not make commuting easier? Maybe give up a few bucks per hour, for all of us, and give all of us the option?
07-11-2018, 06:32 PM
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Just to add some as yet unmentioned info, part of the GUM stipend is offset by the way its trips are credited. We have multiple 2day (overnight) trips that credit less than 10 hours, some as low as 5. Granted, this does not impact pilots off all seniority equally, but many of us are working 2 day trips that would be worth 10 hours in SFO for 5-8 hours a piece. That loss of 2-5 hours per trip basically pays for the stipend, if you do the math.
07-12-2018, 07:09 AM
#76
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Originally Posted by iahflyr
Commuting is a choice....
Until the next recession when the economy spasms and pilots are -
Bumped,
Furloughed,
Your ride gets parked in a different domicile (think 747 ORD, 777 IAH),
Your domicile gets closed (HNL, SEA),
You live in CLE,
etc and meanwhile -
Your spouse has a great job,
Your kids are in a good spot,
You're underwater on your house,
You have an elderly parent that you're caring for,
You have a side business,
etc.
Then it's not so simple. But, it sure sounds definitive.
07-12-2018, 07:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Fake news.
Factored into those bogus numbers are military spending and all other federal spending in each state. CA booted almost all military bases a couple of decades ago so of course they'll claim they're a net payer.
Another item computed into net payer/receiver status is social security. Well, the problem with that is many Californians leave California when they retire because of the cost of living.
This fake 'statistic' has been debunked multiple times but keeps getting regurgitated.
Here's an LA times article on the subject:
Does Washington shortchange California on taxes? No, not really
Factored into those bogus numbers are military spending and all other federal spending in each state. CA booted almost all military bases a couple of decades ago so of course they'll claim they're a net payer.
Another item computed into net payer/receiver status is social security. Well, the problem with that is many Californians leave California when they retire because of the cost of living.
This fake 'statistic' has been debunked multiple times but keeps getting regurgitated.
Here's an LA times article on the subject:
Does Washington shortchange California on taxes? No, not really
I knew the metrics were skewed by measurement, but since I never bring up politics or religion at work it sure is fun to occasionally (and irresponsibly) troll my conservative friends. If people take themselves as seriously in person as they do on this board, wow! James and Hoss get it. Your polite response shows that you do too.
I spent most of my adult life in Texas, it's an awesome state. California is great, too. Both have totally screwed up political systems and it makes me laugh out loud to hear my bubba friends carp about how horrible it must be to live with the liberals, then hear my Birkenstock-wearing friends whine about those horrible, conservative, racist rednecks and their horrible state.
People need to lighten up.
07-12-2018, 09:56 AM
#78
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Originally Posted by rp2pilot
East Germany, Cuba, North Korea, prior Soviet Union .. I'm sure there are exceptions but, to my recollection, most of the communist States erected walls and barbwire to keep people from leaving.
07-12-2018, 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by XHooker
You're correct, but I doubt anyone in Cuba (probably NK, for that matter) knows or cares who moves where within their borders and we're talking about a domestic COLA. Are we really going further down this rabbit hole? Domestic COLA ain't gonna happen... nor should it.
07-17-2018, 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Andy
Fake news.
Factored into those bogus numbers are military spending and all other federal spending in each state. CA booted almost all military bases a couple of decades ago so of course they'll claim they're a net payer.
Another item computed into net payer/receiver status is social security. Well, the problem with that is many Californians leave California when they retire because of the cost of living.
This fake 'statistic' has been debunked multiple times but keeps getting regurgitated.
Here's an LA times article on the subject:
Does Washington shortchange California on taxes? No, not really
Factored into those bogus numbers are military spending and all other federal spending in each state. CA booted almost all military bases a couple of decades ago so of course they'll claim they're a net payer.
Another item computed into net payer/receiver status is social security. Well, the problem with that is many Californians leave California when they retire because of the cost of living.
This fake 'statistic' has been debunked multiple times but keeps getting regurgitated.
Here's an LA times article on the subject:
Does Washington shortchange California on taxes? No, not really
That’s an interesting article, thanks for posting it.
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