I didn’t say anything about union talk. I’m referring the the UPS pilots’ treatment from their management…not good from what I can tell. But maybe I’m wrong about that, IDK? But that’s certainly not the issue at FDX, IMO. Not that it’s 100% roses. Just don’t confuse general complaints (we can complain with the best of airline pilots also) with bad culture.

Well, considering they most likely resigned, that would be really stupid and most likely won’t get rehired.

Hired at United, quit to go to UPS, stay a short period of time, attempt to get rehired at United 😳.

It’s happened at FDX before and is in the process of happening now…

Cargo ain't for everybody...even at the two leading express integrators. The pay is good, the retirement is good, the health benefits are good...but there's absolutely no denying the shiftwork nature of the job relative to a major/legacy carrier.

There really shouldn't be any shame in somebody saying "I prefer one segment of industry for another".

We're fortunate to be in a position TODAY, unlike 12 months ago, where people have options.

While definitely not the best culture, you make it sound like it is a total nightmare. It has gotten much better through the years, not Southwest happy happy better, but better nonetheless as old school managers have retired. One thing I have found about UPS vs Fedex… at UPS you know the knife is coming straight at you, and you are prepared (as can be)… at Fedex, you are being pat on the back for a nice job, stroking your ego, while the knife is coming as well, just more subtle. There is a reason the Fedex CBA passes with just over 50% of the vote while UPS passed with 95%. The IPA membership has to be strong to deal with UPS. Nothing gets handed for free, even little things like blankets on long haul flights sometimes is a fight. But like any job, you show up, do it to the best of your ability, and go home without any issues.

Back on point, living in base is priceless!! I have friends at both UPS and Fedex who literally almost never sleep in a Hotel bed. I don’t know how senior you have to be at United to hold that type of schedule, if they exist (out and backs), but I imagine very senior in DEN. Still, driving to work makes this job completely different.

Don’t let the night flying scare you, Fedex has a lot of day flying, lots. And international flying is also vast. The beauty with Fedex is you don’t have to be extremely senior to hold a decent schedule in a WB. I have multiple friends at Fedex who avoid virtually all night flying (as FO). The bad part is it will take some time as a new Captain to hold the same schedules you had as a FO (unless you bypass a long time). 75 Captain is almost exclusively night flying (from the last bid pack I saw).

If I were already at United, living in base, I would stay. If I were looking to get hired now, I would take first one that calls. I do think United is the most comparable to Fedex due to amount of WB aircraft. Delta and American are the incredible WB shrinking airlines, wouldn’t touch them.

Also, pay attention to not just living in base, that is huge, but also benefits, ie medical, disability, retirement, ability to adjust your schedule, vacation flexibility, etc. For example, Fedex has one of the best, if not the best vacation rules of any carrier. And because they still have hard lines, you can still conflict bid. United has PBS.

It’s Corporate America. Please, do any of you think your employers love you.
You’re just a cog in the wheel, making the boys at the top money.

I will say FedEx & UPS pay, pension & scope is much better than any other company flying jets.
None of the pax carriers have an A Plan anymore.
( which is awesome! $132,000/yr plus your 401k contributions)
The pax carriers have more day flying.
The freight dogs have more international flying.

Do your job, go home & enjoy life.

Data sample: During the past 3 months at united every single new hire class had a mix of pilots from FedEx, AA, and Delta Airlines. Maybe the QOL is still scaring them our way 🤷🏼‍♂️, if so keep them coming! we need all the qualified bodies we can get 👍

fixed applies for all

I second that at FedEx. Steady stream from UAL DAL AA SW and even UPS filling new hire classes.

I know for a fact this is incorrect. None of the above applied to multiple classes. Maybe you meant Atlas, Skywest, and Envoy. Good try through


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Wrong.
Personally know this is incorrect.

Why lie?
DL, FedEx UPS pilots are not leaving to join United.
Not so say United is a bad place, but the others are not bad either.