Just bid reserve...you'll never fly for free

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You keep outdoing yourself on the "display of ignorance" thing.

You want to explain how something called "minimum pay GUARANTEE" doesn't benefit the pilots and needs to go adios?

Other airlines have a min pay guarantee without all the crazy that our pay system has. It shouldn’t be that hard.

It’s not hard. You get the greater of 3 buckets. If you can’t do 7th grade math then you have no business flying airplanes. The union has beat this horse to death trying to help pilots understand it. It’s your fault if you haven’t read everything the union has given you or if you can’t be bothered with going on the ALPA site and doing a little research.

It shouldn’t be this hard to be a union pilot.

You can imply I lack intelligence if you want. The long and short of it is we have four pages talking about this. If there is that much confusion surrounding it, a better system is needed.

As I have been on reserve pretty much my whole time here I haven’t had to worry about working for free in a vacation month. I do know the reserve rules pretty well though.

My point was that our contract is set up to ensure we get the most pay we can by providing protections on 3 different levels. Our union has provided everyone with the tools to make informed decisions yet we still have people that come on here and ask basic questions that have been covered by numerous emails and is also readily available with a simple search on the ALPA site.

The bucket system isn’t the problem. It’s a solution to loopholes that were exploited previously.

If you’re a half winger, I get it, but those are questions to ask your ALPA mentor, not an open forum where there are too many spouting off wrong answers.

Or at the very least ask these questions on the other forum where many ALPA SMEs are answering questions and you know where the info is coming from.

Absolutely a better source of info. All I did was express my opinion that the system is a little complicated.

Fair enough. Sorry I came off harsh. This thread is so full of misinformation that I let it get me frustrated.

Maybe it would help if we knew how others do it ...
Delta? SWA? Jetblue? (just as an example)

What happens when you over fly leg one.. (overs that goes towards our LPV).
Then the rest of the trip is unders (LPV/PTC don't change)

Next trip cancels after you show.. (LPV goes down but our PTC stays the same)
Then you pick up something after not getting used on AV... (our LPV/PTC goes up)

That new trip gets delayed and you end up with Late Pay (Add Pay)

As others have mentioned, the real problem is pilots NOT understanding how our pay works.
Is it confusing... sure. But so it our lifestyle and schedule.

For those of you complaining, what is the solution?
Once you figure out our pay, you learn when and when NOT to pick up flying, and when overs help vs. overs not meaning anything.

Motch


PS-
LPV means Line Pay Value. What the trip should pay as a minimum, if you fly it.
PTC means Protected Time Credit. What your line will pay if YOU do nothing to change it.
MPG means Minimum Pay Guarantee. The min we will get paid if we are available to fly.. 70 for line holders, 73 for reserves.
ADD Pay means extra for certain things, international override, late pay, etc..

PPS-
The 'Key' is to get as much PTC as possible, while getting the low LPV.. plus getting 'ADD Pay'.

Nicely explained! You took the Horrible out of Horrido!