Percentage of flying done by regionals.
09-22-2018, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Chuck D
THIS! thanks for finding the data! A few keep talking about seat miles... sure that's a splendid metric. Another important one is this, which says about 40% of our paying passengers get the RJ experience. So it should be a good one (i.e., get rid of the 50 seaters!) and I'd also love to see that percentage decrease as well.
21.3 million out of 75.5 million total.
But I agree, it’s still too high of a number. The company is using and increasing 50 seaters beacuase that is all that is left for them to add to Express due to scope choke. Not exactly passenger friendly.
But once they order a 100 seater for mainline, which allows more 76 seater at Express, by contract the 50 seater ratio has to be reduced.
09-22-2018, 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by C11DCA
Actually wouldn't it be closer to 28% of passengers get Expressed?
21.3 million out of 75.5 million total.
But I agree, it’s still too high of a number.
21.3 million out of 75.5 million total.
But I agree, it’s still too high of a number.
09-23-2018, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Fr8Thrust
There’s a SA0X family listed on a mainline flight for later today. As we all know, they’re suppose to relist that segment as SA5X. Quick screenshot and email to ETC? How does the gate handle this?
09-23-2018, 06:03 AM
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Originally Posted by CRJ1988
I couldn’t agree more. Look guys, I’m sorry if I got carried away. We lost our house in 04, my dad was lucky he had an opportunity in the Guard. My uncle ended up getting divorced and worked non aviation jobs as he didn’t have the Air Force to fall back on. It just felt like a giant kick in the stones from a company that two generations of my family had given their entire professional lives. The real enemy is mgmt- I get that. Please hold firm this time. Thanks for listening. I’m sorry that my passion got the best of me.
09-23-2018, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
I think these stories are the ones that people are thinking about when they talk about "allowing RJs in exchange for money." Getting played or not, it was an idea to give them up because there would be more money out there.
It was not a UAL problem though, it was a systemic problem and once the camel's nose was under the tent, everything else came along with it.
It was not a UAL problem though, it was a systemic problem and once the camel's nose was under the tent, everything else came along with it.
If your union came to you guys right now and said “which do you want: more E175’s or a fleet of Caravan’s?” which would you choose? The dynamics of the industry completely changed through 9/11, bankruptcy, mergers etc.
You guys look back 25 years ago and make the easy and obvious comment “you shouldn’t have”. Well, I bought Apple stock 25 years ago too. Sold it for a decent little profit 2 years later. If I could magically know then what I know now I’d be rich and retired.
09-23-2018, 08:18 AM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
An outside observer and former EAL guy, watch out for the foreign carriers. They will have a huge effect on the industry, as in RJ-like. The ME3, the Chinese 3 and assorted others like TK can water down yields by dumping capacity and their costs are much lower and, in many cases, subsidized or geographically much more favorable.
JV, codeshares will be the next wedge.
GF
JV, codeshares will be the next wedge.
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09-23-2018, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Photoflier
Again, it’s easy to see NOW. But put yourself in the room at the time. Nobody had any idea what a scourge RJ’s would become.
If your union came to you guys right now and said “which do you want: more E175’s or a fleet of Caravan’s?” which would you choose? The dynamics of the industry completely changed through 9/11, bankruptcy, mergers etc.
You guys look back 25 years ago and make the easy and obvious comment “you shouldn’t have”. Well, I bought Apple stock 25 years ago too. Sold it for a decent little profit 2 years later. If I could magically know then what I know now I’d be rich and retired.
If your union came to you guys right now and said “which do you want: more E175’s or a fleet of Caravan’s?” which would you choose? The dynamics of the industry completely changed through 9/11, bankruptcy, mergers etc.
You guys look back 25 years ago and make the easy and obvious comment “you shouldn’t have”. Well, I bought Apple stock 25 years ago too. Sold it for a decent little profit 2 years later. If I could magically know then what I know now I’d be rich and retired.
09-24-2018, 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Baradium
. The whole point of this conversation is that we don't have any 175s anyway. Well my company owns a bunch... but seniority list pilots don't fly them.
Mainline flying was taken away from mainline airlines under duress. Pilots felt compelled to help their airlines because their retirements were being threatened. Mainline airlines furloughed and parked jets as well. The result: scope relief. Pilots also had guns to put their heads by bankruptcy judges, and didn't have much say in the matter.
Well, guess what, the tables are turned. Now we have a say in the matter.
HOLD THE LINE and TAKE IT BACK!
09-24-2018, 04:42 AM
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Originally Posted by baseball
The whole point of this conversation is ultimately to demonstrate our resolve to take back what was taken from the profession under the threat of bankruptcy, or liquidity short-fall, or actual bankruptcy contracts.
Mainline flying was taken away from mainline airlines under duress. Pilots felt compelled to help their airlines because their retirements were being threatened. Mainline airlines furloughed and parked jets as well. The result: scope relief. Pilots also had guns to put their heads by bankruptcy judges, and didn't have much say in the matter.
Well, guess what, the tables are turned. Now we have a say in the matter.
HOLD THE LINE and TAKE IT BACK!
Mainline flying was taken away from mainline airlines under duress. Pilots felt compelled to help their airlines because their retirements were being threatened. Mainline airlines furloughed and parked jets as well. The result: scope relief. Pilots also had guns to put their heads by bankruptcy judges, and didn't have much say in the matter.
Well, guess what, the tables are turned. Now we have a say in the matter.
HOLD THE LINE and TAKE IT BACK!
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