Originally Posted by jdt30

Academy grad

Originally Posted by spaaks

hahaha, what is the story behind the origin of that nickname?

Originally Posted by Sunvox

Honestly, I didn't think any mainline pilot today would ever consider giving an inch on Scope, but I must admit I was shocked when my last FO, a Zoomie with a 20 year career and retired Lieutenant Colonel, said that he thinks we could give on Scope for added pay so long as the company promised to give us the jobs back in the next downturn. Obviously, I offered an alternative view, but I don't think he was convinced.

Anyways, I was just surprised to find anyone that would give on Scope. I hope there aren't many more like THAT

Originally Posted by Sunvox

Honestly, I didn't think any mainline pilot today would ever consider giving an inch on Scope, but I must admit I was shocked when my last FO, a Zoomie with a 20 year career and retired Lieutenant Colonel, said that he thinks we could give on Scope for added pay so long as the company promised to give us the jobs back in the next downturn. Obviously, I offered an alternative view, but I don't think he was convinced.

Anyways, I was just surprised to find anyone that would give on Scope. I hope there aren't many more like THAT

Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

Double-entendre:

They were supposed to be “fly-boys” that “zoomed” through the sky....

But, they are also locked up in there for many years....like animals in a cage...

In the ZOO.

Originally Posted by Sunvox

Honestly, I didn't think any mainline pilot today would ever consider giving an inch on Scope, but I must admit I was shocked when my last FO, a Zoomie with a 20 year career and retired Lieutenant Colonel

Originally Posted by UAL T38 Phlyer

I’d say “beat him senseless”....but too late.

Originally Posted by xDarkwingx

I also want to state that new hires who spent their career in the mil are not speaking from a library of experience in the 121 world and certainly not within UAL to be certain. Rather than blow our stacks at them realize the breadth of experience they come from and put on your education hat. Teach rather than flame and try and show why, from your experience, that view is unwise! Not everyone is like me and is able to learn from their peers experience. Some always seem to need the pain of personal suffering for things to take hold. We all tend to think our position is infallible and likely there will be some out there who will fire shots across my bow for this. Just as I don’t think all who grew up in the 121 world act a certain way please know that is also true of ex mil pilots. From my standpoint-not an inch will be given. I believe most new hires agree.

Originally Posted by asupilot

We have to show people like him compassion, and we must educate them. I was fortunate to have mentors educate me on the airline business. I read every book that was suggested to me. People like him are innocently ignorant; they're smart, but they've been insulated from the business cycle since they were 18. For the first time in his adult life (sans his retirement check), his paycheck isn't a foregone conclusion. I know this because I was one of these people (military).

Originally Posted by John Carr

WARNING WARNING!!!!!! Most, MOST of what's below is in jest.....



Different airline, but STILL FUNNY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN82J_X7J7A



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iT0pWOldIjc&t=18s



All great points. But some guys just don't know when to STHU and go into receive mode.

It's like in "Cool Hand Luke", "some men, you just can't reach"



"Compassion"? What, 20 years as a "zoomie", is he a S.N.A.P. and needs "compassion"? See above, they ALSO need to learn when to go into receive mode.

Originally Posted by Airhoss

I can clearly remember a Zoomie lecturing me that Glenn Tilton was finally an effective leader and exactly what UAL needed. A fine example of a man and that we should not speak negatively about this man of high standards and ability.

Air Force colonels in particular seem to easily gravitate to anybody that is placed in charge. A bit to much faith in “leadership” maybe.

Originally Posted by Sunvox

Honestly, I didn't think any mainline pilot today would ever consider giving an inch on Scope, but I must admit I was shocked when my last FO, a Zoomie with a 20 year career and retired Lieutenant Colonel, said that he thinks we could give on Scope for added pay so long as the company promised to give us the jobs back in the next downturn. Obviously, I offered an alternative view, but I don't think he was convinced.

Anyways, I was just surprised to find anyone that would give on Scope. I hope there aren't many more like THAT