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Old 11-14-2018, 08:10 AM
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...es/1998789002/

It will be interesting to see what they do with the planes that were flying those routes. Looks like 4 trips on the 777 and 2 on the 767 are being replaced. The new international allocation chart should be out soon and we should find out then.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...es/1998789002/

It will be interesting to see what they do with the planes that were flying those routes. Looks like 4 trips on the 777 and 2 on the 767 are being replaced. The new international allocation chart should be out soon and we should find out then.
Thats good flying looks like the 787 in EWR will be getting more senior.

the 777 and 767s can be absorbed with the Polaris upgrades, at least that is my guess. Also IAD-TLV starts with the 777 in the spring.
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/trave...es/1998789002/

It will be interesting to see what they do with the planes that were flying those routes. Looks like 4 trips on the 777 and 2 on the 767 are being replaced. The new international allocation chart should be out soon and we should find out then.
I can tell you we don't have enough 777's. They are doing another interior upgrade on the -200's. Both UA and CO. And....they are adding the economy premium seats in the 777A's. Lots of ferry flights to China, and not enough ground time on the remaining planes to fix them between flights. Seems like the deferrals are going up. It won't be too long before the 300ER's come up on C checks. So, I don't know if they will be doing anything other than planned MX with the freed up planes.

How about resuming the SEA-NRT and taking it back from our Star Alliance partner ANA?
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I’m just glad to see things moving in a positive direction. The post 9/11, lost decade, age 65, merger, SLI.... business was getting old. New deliveries, hiring, upgrading the fleet to provide a better product are all promising. I know that it can all change overnight, again, but I’m going to put my feet up and enjoy this little ray of sunshine.

Good point about needing hulls while others go into the shop for cabin upgrades. Hopefully this will allow progress to continue.
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How about resuming the SEA-NRT and taking it back from our Star Alliance partner ANA?
If there's no feed into the (former) hub then they won't reinstitute that (former) route....
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If there's no feed into the (former) hub then they won't reinstitute that (former) route....
SEA and JFK were “smiseked”.
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SEA and JFK were “smiseked”.
I’d be curious to see how we would be doing against Alaska, Delta and Southwest out of SEA these days.
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If there's no feed into the (former) hub then they won't reinstitute that (former) route....
You missed my point. This is a UAL route authority being flown and outsourced to Star Alliance. We currently do feed the route. We feed it to ANA. Last I checked, ANA doesn't have a fleet of RJ's to service our domestic feed to their international route.....
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You missed my point. This is a UAL route authority being flown and outsourced to Star Alliance. We currently do feed the route. We feed it to ANA. Last I checked, ANA doesn't have a fleet of RJ's to service our domestic feed to their international route.....
I would submit that it would be a very rare passenger that would be connected from UAL to ANA through Seattle vice originating in Seattle. The system is set up to connect pax through the hubs.

That one NRT departure kept SEA on life support for a while, but the company certainly won't want to bring it back from the dead just for that. This is the very reason the Death Star exists.
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Keep in mind that SEA-NRT is not just “Star Aliiance” as UAL and ANA have a Joint Venture (JV) that covers the North Pacific.

Within the JV revenues, expenses, and profits are split regardless of the color of the airplane. I hate to say it, but it probably makes a strong business sense to have ANA operate the city pair in the absence of a UA 777 base in SEA. (The idiotic UA abandonment of SEA in the first place is a whole different can of worms.)
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