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01-14-2019, 09:59 AM
#21
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Joined APC: Apr 2016
Posts: 376
Originally Posted by Grumble
It’s understandable. You’re brought up in a culture bred to convince you you’re the best, and many of them are. However fighter aviation is very canned and scripted in the larger picture of aviation and some of them don’t quite realize what they’re getting into. Spending months going to/from the whiskey areas and ranges is very different than launching on a domestic four day from ORD in Feb. Airline training is geared towards cost effectiveness and getting you legal to produce revenue, military training is not. Your experience is gained on the line, you leave the school house knowing what you need to be legal, not necessarily proficient. For a retired O-6 you need to think like a 2LT and be ready to be the new guy, some can, some struggle. They both have their challenges and dynamics, but there is almost no overlap. So long as you show up ready to learn and convince yourself “I don’t know dookie about this” most will be fine. You’ve already proven you can fly and learn.
Before you flame me I came from the fighter world.
Before you flame me I came from the fighter world.
01-14-2019, 10:11 AM
#22
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Joined APC: Nov 2009
Posts: 5,192
Originally Posted by FlewNavy
Can anyone enlighten the group to exactly what the "problem children" are doing wrong - maybe help out those that are about to start training? Is it attitude? Stick and rudder skills? Poor CRM?
01-14-2019, 05:45 PM
#23
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Joined APC: Mar 2018
Posts: 1,358
I hate going to TK and I’m current. I can’t imagine how some of the furloughed guys felt returning from a 5-10 year furlough after working outside of aviation the entire time. Getting back up to speed at what is now a different company would be difficult.
01-14-2019, 05:49 PM
#24
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Joined APC: Oct 2012
Position: 737
Posts: 1,061
Originally Posted by FlewNavy
Can anyone enlighten the group to exactly what the "problem children" are doing wrong - maybe help out those that are about to start training? Is it attitude? Stick and rudder skills? Poor CRM?
01-14-2019, 06:40 PM
#25
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Joined APC: Mar 2017
Posts: 705
OMG! Show up, fly a good jet, have fun and go home. If one can't realize they're deficient in one or both areas then they can't be helped. This belief holds for both military and civilian.
IOW.... be conscious human being and a pilot.
IOW.... be conscious human being and a pilot.
01-14-2019, 06:54 PM
#26
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Joined APC: Feb 2011
Posts: 3,866
Originally Posted by FlewNavy
Can anyone enlighten the group to exactly what the "problem children" are doing wrong - maybe help out those that are about to start training? Is it attitude? Stick and rudder skills? Poor CRM?
01-14-2019, 07:04 PM
#27
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Gear *****
Posts: 266
So true. They can tolerate some not go great stick ability. They will not tolerate flows and callouts. Sit in the paper tiger until you can't stand it then do it again. In your 1st year on probation you better be where they expect you to be and on-time!
We had a guy (28) in INDOC who was a clown always late to class or texting. The majority of us said no way this guy makes probation. He was fired in his 8th month.
We had a guy (28) in INDOC who was a clown always late to class or texting. The majority of us said no way this guy makes probation. He was fired in his 8th month.
Originally Posted by APC225
Memorize the flows. Memorize the callouts.
01-14-2019, 07:34 PM
#28
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Joined APC: Sep 2008
Position: B767
Posts: 1,901
Originally Posted by Ni hao
So true. They can tolerate some not go great stick ability. They will not tolerate flows and callouts. Sit in the paper tiger until you can't stand it then do it again. In your 1st year on probation you better be where they expect you to be and on-time!
We had a guy (28) in INDOC who was a clown always late to class or texting. The majority of us said no way this guy makes probation. He was fired in his 8th month.
We had a guy (28) in INDOC who was a clown always late to class or texting. The majority of us said no way this guy makes probation. He was fired in his 8th month.
01-14-2019, 08:23 PM
#30
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Joined APC: Dec 2005
Position: Jungle Jet
Posts: 364
Originally Posted by Hilltopper89
In th van this am with an LAX check airman. Said the last 2 high time XJT CA new hires couldn’t fly an ILS. Amazing I know. I couldn’t believe it. That said, I’m retired fighter mil and it’s not as easy as they (mil fighter) think it’d be. Most aren’t used to an FMS, VNAV, and LNAV. It kills them. Anecdotally one of the guys I know in NYC...fighter OG/CC was let let about a year ago. Couldn’t fly a big jet the way we want him to.
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