Yes, obviously. But aside from you wanting to turn APC into a bastardized version of the union hall, how far apart are we really?

I'm talking about process, you're talking about content. The content is best left to each LEC, by resolution, at an LEC meeting, IMO.

Yes we agree with the proposed uniform is not satisfactory and we disagree with how or which process will be effective.

On another side I believe the Uniform Committee probably felt they were following the direction of the pilots and compromised with the Company’s desires for change. No malice at all on their part.

But what is the most effective way to change to tie color and style, hat offerings, rank/stripe style and color, and such?

Ideally there would be multiple examples and some sort of ballot to choose from those, because right now the line pilot basically feels they are being told this is it. This is the failure of the current process.

In the past LUAL actually allowed the line pilots to choose from multiple choices that included color, ties, rank/stripe design... Who knows maybe we’re still feeling the effects of the “Fred” method of management.

The content is exactly what starts the process. It's all about the content. And in case you didn't know, LEC members can't write and floor resolutions at their meetings. That has to be done by members (you) at the meeting. And voted on by other members. To then be ruled timely or untimely by the LEC.

So the process is all about the content. If the content of your resolution is weak it will die a quick death, as it should be. And any scrutiny your resolution would get here would be three times worse at the meeting of a council that actually knows how to conduct union business.

Very far. I don't believe the style of a new uniform is worth my time and I trust our committee members to use the feedback of the wear testers and line pilots to make any changes they feel are "necessary". They have a year to do so. I'll wear whatever the final uniform is. If there are pieces I don't like then I'll choose to wear or not wear them when then final product is mailed out.

On my list of priorities concerning our job, the style of the uniform is near the bottom. I'm only concerned that it's comfortable and durable.

I completely agree on your point, but I suppose we disagree on the venue. I don't believe that APC is the appropriate place to wordsmith a resolution.

Any resolution coming out of a local meeting should should be that council's work, not something copy and pasted from the internet, IMO. I am aware of the process guiding resolutions at the local level, but I'm sure you're also aware that LEC officers (can and do) floor resolutions on their own at MEC meetings.

So to paraphrase, it sounds like the new uniform is not worth your time and effort and is not a priority. However, for a fellow union member who does feel strongly you have the time to chastise and lecture. At least you have your priorities straight.

I'm not looking to read and tweak any resolution you may have. I requested you write one for your own benefit. And if you felt confident in it for you to post it here. Not so the folks here could help you shape it or promote it. It's my belief that if you wrote a recall resolution you would see that your argument is a weak one before you even posted it here.

I'm aware of their capabilities of flooring resolutions at MEC meetings. We've been talking about LEC meetings though.

When you start talking about recalling committee members and expecting an apology from our Master Chairman during our contract negotiations about a uniform that isn't final yet???????? YES, my priorities are straight. Your's are not.

Me expecting an apology from the MC, right, link me to that post :D

I did say that committees that don't serve the best interests of the pilots can and have been fired. Negotiations? So what? Do you think we're going to blow Section 6 because we don't like a proposed uniform?

You said it just yesterday....

We need to focus on what 100% of us agree is important. Certainly more important the a uniform that hasn't been finalized yet. Anything that shows we're not cohesive at this point is a detriment.