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Old 09-11-2018, 07:31 PM
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Anyone have advice on PBS bidding in vacation months so you don’t work for free if you pick up a trip?
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Just make sure your line value is higher than your MPG. There is a document in PBS that outlines what your line award must be with vacation so you are not in the situation of flying for free during a pickup.
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Or, if your line value is less than MPG, you get paid for not flying. Assuming no extra flying.
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Pm me. I saved the union email as a pdf last year about this.
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Anyone have advice on PBS bidding in vacation months so you don’t work for free if you pick up a trip?
Why not just bid minimum and enjoy life a little? 2 weeks of Vacation in Oct pays 85.5 hrs. Many BES is 70 hrs min. 5 days of flying for 85.5 hrs.

You’re going to fly 15 hrs free so that you can pick up a day trip or something? Hardly seems worth it to me to fly a 4 day trip for 4.5 hrs of pay. Would you ever pick up a 4.5 hr 4 day trip?
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Why not just bid minimum and enjoy life a little? 2 weeks of Vacation in Oct pays 85.5 hrs. Many BES is 70 hrs min. 5 days of flying for 85.5 hrs.

You’re going to fly 15 hrs free so that you can pick up a day trip or something? Hardly seems worth it to me to fly a 4 day trip for 4.5 hrs of pay. Would you ever pick up a 4.5 hr 4 day trip?
Not if you bid a high credit line. If he wants to stay home he should bid low credit line. With a high credit line he wouldn’t be working for free. He’d have like 22 days off with the ability to pick up on non vacation days.

That’s the beauty of it....he can stay home with a normal or low credit line or work extra and still have a lot of days off.
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Not if you bid a high credit line. If he wants to stay home he should bid low credit line. With a high credit line he wouldn’t be working for free. He’d have like 22 days off with the ability to pick up on non vacation days.

That’s the beauty of it....he can stay home with a normal or low credit line or work extra and still have a lot of days off.
Every minute over LCF up to MPG is free. But yeah, if you want to fly 15 hrs for free (in a 2 week vacation month) so that you can pick up some other trips then go for it.
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Every minute over LCF up to MPG is free. But yeah, if you want to fly 15 hrs for free (in a 2 week vacation month) so that you can pick up some other trips then go for it.
I don’t understand. If he bids a high credit line he won’t be working for free at all.
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I don’t understand. If he bids a high credit line he won’t be working for free at all.
If your LCF (Line construction floor) is 70 hrs and your MPG is 85.5 in a 2 week vacation month with 31 days,

You make 85.5 for a 70 hr line (some are even lower like 320 in IAH are 67.5 this month so even more extreme).

So you get paid 85.5 hrs for 70 hrs. Everything from 70-85.5 is time flown for the same 85.5 hrs of pay. IMHO that’s flying 15.5 hrs and not making one extra penny. So you fly your first 15.5 hrs for free so you can potenionally make something above 85.5 hrs.

If you only have 1 week of vacation it’s much less dramatic and if you have more than 2 weeks it’s almost impossible to get an awarded line high enough to not lose picking up trips.
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH View Post
If your LCF (Line construction floor) is 70 hrs and your MPG is 85.5 in a 2 week vacation month with 31 days,

You make 85.5 for a 70 hr line (some are even lower like 320 in IAH are 67.5 this month so even more extreme).

So you get paid 85.5 hrs for 70 hrs. Everything from 70-85.5 is time flown for the same 85.5 hrs of pay. IMHO that’s flying 15.5 hrs and not making one extra penny. So you fly your first 15.5 hrs for free so you can potenionally make something above 85.5 hrs.

If you only have 1 week of vacation it’s much less dramatic and if you have more than 2 weeks it’s almost impossible to get an awarded line high enough to not lose picking up trips.
But if you bid and are awarded a high credit line...say 86 hrs...every trip you pick up is not free because your PTC is above MPG. You are correct though if awarded a line below 85.5 hrs every minute between Mpg and 85.5 is free. There’s a very detailed union message about this sent out about a year ago.
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