FXLAX

The one crew that recovered from the design flaw had the advantage of a third pilot in the smart seat. We need to find out why on that as well.

Dave Fitzgerald

Time to bring back the guppy FE seat.

Larry in TN

I'm good with that.

My problem is that the only thing being addressed is the engineering. The engineering problem is straightforward and is being fixed.

The crew performance issue is being ignored. People are minimizing it because 'Boeing's screw up was so bad'. Both of those airplanes were flyable. We have to find out why two crews were unable to fly them and figure out how to fix that because it applies not only to unintended MCAS activations but to any complex failure that will happen again with any system on any airplane.

We have to be prepared to handle them.

The AF447 crew had a similar problem. Multiple warnings and inaccurate readings confused the crew and distracted them from the information they needed, and was available, which would have allowed them to understand their situation and recover the airplane.

Yes. Good example. We have to be prepared to handle these failures even as the manufacturers continue to make them less likely.

I agree.

Winston

FWIW: A newhire buddy of mine in BI said the bigwigs making their way through TK have been saying the MAX situation should be resolved by October.

No comments please regarding which year.

Airhoss

Same time frame that we are supposed to have 17,000 pilots on property.

Dave Fitzgerald

I wouldn't say that the crew performance is being ignored. Since the official accident reports are not out, I'd say people are waiting for the official results before jumping to conclusions. They will have to break out differences between the lack of information/training on Boeing's part, the crappy crew experience, and the poor stick and rudder skills. That's going to be the difficult part. And then, of course, the lawyers will have a field day with the results.

So, Until the official reports are out, it's really too soon to speculate on the part of the crew. I don't think anyone is arguing it wasn't a causal factor, just too soon grasshopper.

Sniper66

How many you have on the seniority list anyway as of today
Just wondering

Airhoss

As of July 15th, it was just shy of 13,000 including LTDs etc.

Itsajob

Sure wish we had all of those bodies when the A-350 shows up any day now........ oh wait, that was BS too.

APC225

CEO out. Remarkably similar to HBO “Succession”. A sacrifice had to be made. Big enough to say, that’s big enough.