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03-26-2019, 08:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
Politicians are mostly interested in the public pat on the back and are always campaigning. Taking care of something that needs to be done is secondary.
I read an article that said that a FAA data base showed that there were at least two pitch anomalies reported by US carriers. The crews kicked the autopilot off and just flew the plane. It will be interesting when the final reports come out. Were these crashes completely avoidable with better trained crews, or were they handed an unrecoverable situation close to the ground?
I read an article that said that a FAA data base showed that there were at least two pitch anomalies reported by US carriers. The crews kicked the autopilot off and just flew the plane. It will be interesting when the final reports come out. Were these crashes completely avoidable with better trained crews, or were they handed an unrecoverable situation close to the ground?
04-02-2019, 05:48 PM
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There will never be a fix for TheCrap7. There will be bandaids, salves, balms, aromatherapy, reflexology, training bulletins, iPad training modules, prayer-beads, chants, paint-jobs, rebranding, obfuscation, misdirection, fake news, propaganda, ointments, strains of exotic reefer, cheap park bench wine, etc. But it will forever be the worst Boeing going.
04-02-2019, 06:32 PM
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04-02-2019, 08:44 PM
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CAL and then UAL has been WAY too stuck on the Boeing teet since the ‘not if it was Gordon’ #METOO days. Why we were told we should take pride in being the launch for the POS Transformer MAX 10 is beyond me. Don’t crud on Southwest too much cause CAL/UAL deserves tons of blame for demands on the overdone guppy.
04-03-2019, 05:12 AM
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https://www.thedailybeast.com/ethiop...y-instructions
The Ethiopian 302 Pilots disconnected the horizontal stabilizer trim, then turned it on again before the crash occurred. The article doesn’t specifically say if they tried to activate the trim
using the manual trim wheel.
There are many misleading articles and headlines that do not say the pilots turned the stabilizer trim back on. The Wall Street Journal is the only other publication I’ve seen than states they turned it back on.
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The Ethiopian 302 Pilots disconnected the horizontal stabilizer trim, then turned it on again before the crash occurred. The article doesn’t specifically say if they tried to activate the trim
using the manual trim wheel.
There are many misleading articles and headlines that do not say the pilots turned the stabilizer trim back on. The Wall Street Journal is the only other publication I’ve seen than states they turned it back on.
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04-03-2019, 05:46 AM
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To GravellyPointer’s comment. there are early reports today from Reuters that infer that the flight crew disabled stab trim, but that it reactivated in its own four times. How would that happen?
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boe...-before-crash/
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04-03-2019, 05:51 AM
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Originally Posted by HouseOfPAE
To GravellyPointer’s comment. there are early reports today from Reuters that infer that the flight crew disabled stab trim, but that it reactivated in its own four times. How would that happen?
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/boe...-before-crash/
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04-03-2019, 06:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Larry in TN
Maybe I'm misinterpreting what you're writing.
Both of your descriptions have given me the impression that you're saying that the aircraft accelerates when the autobrakes are released. i.e. "slingshot effect" and "lurches forward". My understanding of the physics is that the deceleration rate is significantly reduced but deceleration continues at a (much) lower rate.
In any case, I also dislike techniques which produce anything other than a smooth deceleration and autobrake disengagement.
"Bumping" works on the 757/767. On the 737 you have to stow the speed brakes in order to release the autobrakes.
Both of your descriptions have given me the impression that you're saying that the aircraft accelerates when the autobrakes are released. i.e. "slingshot effect" and "lurches forward". My understanding of the physics is that the deceleration rate is significantly reduced but deceleration continues at a (much) lower rate.
In any case, I also dislike techniques which produce anything other than a smooth deceleration and autobrake disengagement.
"Bumping" works on the 757/767. On the 737 you have to stow the speed brakes in order to release the autobrakes.
04-03-2019, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by intrepidcv11
CAL and then UAL has been WAY too stuck on the Boeing teet since the ‘not if it was Gordon’ #METOO days. Why we were told we should take pride in being the launch for the POS Transformer MAX 10 is beyond me. Don’t crud on Southwest too much cause CAL/UAL deserves tons of blame for demands on the overdone guppy.
All that said, it seems that if Boeing had stopped at the 737NG and instead focused on a whole new design they'd be in a much more competitive position now. But who knew 12 years ago that the us airlines would consolidate, start making profits and be in a healthy position to place lots of orders....
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