Vacancy announcement 19-09V opens 19April
#31
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
Position: B756 FO
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Yes really. Not all the past unfilled SFO spots were filled soooooo maaaaaaybe since he’s at TK he knew something more? That’s why I asked.
#32
Not sure how to answer that question. Besides looking at the final award and making an educated guess. Are you asking if there is data available on all the people who bid and were not senior enough to make it on a snap shot or the final award?
BTW
Nice Pitts, I can’t tell from the picture is that an S2-C?
BTW
Nice Pitts, I can’t tell from the picture is that an S2-C?
#33
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
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TK is a huge footprint to support, and is actually a big issue for management in our negotiations. They want contract non seniority list instructors. Those two issues mean TK will continue to operate year round. Maybe TK instructors fly a little more in the summer, but they aren’t at TK because they want to fly a lot. Hiring continues year round for the foreseeable future.
1. Instructors fresh out of college with no experience "teaching us". No benefit, no knowledge, resulting in no credibility.
2. Retired pilots who want to find a way to "get back onto the line". Think of the friends of pfred…. Think of those special pilots at CAL who were soley approved to go around the age 60 retirement age by being in the training department. Those pilots approved only by the Houston FSDO office and no other FAA FSDO.
3. Lowest bidder training (you get what you pay for).
4. A bunch of foreign nationals who speak poor English
5. Loss of control by ALPA and the ALPA training committee, no input, no oversight, no membership into the association.
I would say that if management wants this, then management doesn't care about quality. Just do CBT's for everything and lets watch our IPAD's. Stupid!
#34
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
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That worries me. Why? Because that proves to me that management doesn't get it. They don't get the value of having our pilots fly in and out of these places. Having "TK instructors" who are not line pilots would potentially open us up to the following:
1. Instructors fresh out of college with no experience "teaching us". No benefit, no knowledge, resulting in no credibility.
2. Retired pilots who want to find a way to "get back onto the line". Think of the friends of pfred…. Think of those special pilots at CAL who were soley approved to go around the age 60 retirement age by being in the training department. Those pilots approved only by the Houston FSDO office and no other FAA FSDO.
3. Lowest bidder training (you get what you pay for).
4. A bunch of foreign nationals who speak poor English
5. Loss of control by ALPA and the ALPA training committee, no input, no oversight, no membership into the association.
I would say that if management wants this, then management doesn't care about quality. Just do CBT's for everything and lets watch our IPAD's. Stupid!
1. Instructors fresh out of college with no experience "teaching us". No benefit, no knowledge, resulting in no credibility.
2. Retired pilots who want to find a way to "get back onto the line". Think of the friends of pfred…. Think of those special pilots at CAL who were soley approved to go around the age 60 retirement age by being in the training department. Those pilots approved only by the Houston FSDO office and no other FAA FSDO.
3. Lowest bidder training (you get what you pay for).
4. A bunch of foreign nationals who speak poor English
5. Loss of control by ALPA and the ALPA training committee, no input, no oversight, no membership into the association.
I would say that if management wants this, then management doesn't care about quality. Just do CBT's for everything and lets watch our IPAD's. Stupid!
#35
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
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I wouldn't worry too much; the fact that they're running a June class bodes well for the number of planned classes this fall through next spring when they try to do most of the training.
#36
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
Position: B767/757 Capt
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I had an S-2C back in 2008....also owned an S-2B and a S-1S before that..
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#38
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Position: 757/767
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#39
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Relax. I've read that 'management wants contract PIs' for ~20 years now. They didn't get it changed with concessionary BK contracts. Is this something that our union is suddenly going to change their position on for the contract currently under negotiation? I agree and don't think so. Even if it somehow got added to the new contract, I doubt it would get past the membership. I see it as non-negotiable as scope.
#40
Not trying to belittle the pay/seniority issues, but the biggest problem that I saw with those guys back in the cal days is that there was no consistency in the training department. Some trained the book, and some trained what the book said back when they were flying the line. I became a big believer in requiring instructors to be current line pilots who fly every month. Requiring instructors to hold an active seniority number solves everything. I agree and don’t really think we have to worry about this any more than we need to worry about caving on scope. We may not get our next contract quickly, but it will be a better contract.
Last edited by HercAC; 05-03-2019 at 07:01 AM.
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