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#72
This is comical. The slogan was actually "Fed Up, Pay Me". Yet now, it's been morphed into "Foxtrot You, Pay Me" by someone who tends to see things from Willis point of view and who carries their water here.
Way to go, Potty-Mouth.
I'll continue to use my Union-Pilot centric viewpoint just as many will continue to do the heavy lifting for others with a company-centric view.
Way to go, Potty-Mouth.
I'll continue to use my Union-Pilot centric viewpoint just as many will continue to do the heavy lifting for others with a company-centric view.
Last edited by oldmako; 05-12-2019 at 04:09 PM.
#73
Baseball hit it out of the park. I too was EWR based during most of that crap and to say that it wasn't the most frustrating and demoralizing period of my career would be a lie. BMEP has proven his worth as a management sycophant and will rise to their occasion when called upon to do so.
Some people never learn.
Some people never learn.
#74
The determining factor of winners and losers in our case is not emotion. It's leverage, plain and simple. Leverage wins every time.
We could be the most polite employees straight outta the finishing farm but if we don't have leverage, we won't achieve meaningful gains. Conversely, we could push the limits of societal norms without getting sued or fired and as long as we have leverage, we win.
The corporatIon is a unified voice. A group with a bunch of independent contractors is not. You might not like a wristband campaign, but if helps a group to coalesce then it is a positive step towards leverage.
We could be the most polite employees straight outta the finishing farm but if we don't have leverage, we won't achieve meaningful gains. Conversely, we could push the limits of societal norms without getting sued or fired and as long as we have leverage, we win.
The corporatIon is a unified voice. A group with a bunch of independent contractors is not. You might not like a wristband campaign, but if helps a group to coalesce then it is a positive step towards leverage.
#75
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,824
This is comical. The slogan was actually "Fed Up, Pay Me". Yet now, it's been morphed into "Foxtrot You, Pay Me" by someone who tends to see things from Willis point of view and who carries their water here.
Way to go, Potty-Mouth.
I'll continue to use my Union-Pilot centric viewpoint just as many will continue to do the heavy lifting for others with a company-centric view.
Way to go, Potty-Mouth.
I'll continue to use my Union-Pilot centric viewpoint just as many will continue to do the heavy lifting for others with a company-centric view.
#77
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Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 2,159
The hardest part when dealing with people is "feelings". Too many emotions to gain momentum, and maintain the unity needed to get and apply the leverage at the right time. Get too P'd off to soon, you blow your wad before conditions are ripe. Peak too late and you miss the wave.
For the most part I think I have learned from history. You gotta take the same approach management does.
Managers pretend to be emotional for mass appeal, but deep down they don't care. They got their pay checks and their options.
It's just business.
I worry about the negotiating cycle and the economic cycle. I think we have supply and demand on our side as long as we don't change any more FARs for airman certification and medical standards. Hopefully ALPA National is engaged on the big picture stuff so we can fight and win. If the rug gets pulled from under us I think there will be some bracelets of various types about the school yard.
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Joined APC: Aug 2015
Position: Cautiously optimistic
Posts: 45
For those people that were here during contract 2000. What would those rates be adjusted for inflation? Also, how much in retirement could one expect before it was taken from the pilots under the guise of keeping the business afloat?
#80
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 916
75/76 = $264
777 = $316
747 = $355
Adjusted for inflation (2004 to 2019 CPI) that would be:
75/76 = $356
777 = $427
747 = $479
All that and a pension too!!
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