Pay multiplier, F/O's help please
#12
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Joined APC: Mar 2005
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Using your formula doesn’t paint the whole picture.
We have people who decide not to fly and still credit 1000 hours. For example, my longest time not being called on reserve was 56 days - 56 days at home where the phone didn’t ring once. That’s not accounted for in your silly formula.
We have people who decide not to fly and still credit 1000 hours. For example, my longest time not being called on reserve was 56 days - 56 days at home where the phone didn’t ring once. That’s not accounted for in your silly formula.
#13
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
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You are going to make more money and have more days off and a better schedule than you have at said regional in 1 year if you are able to live near a coastal base. You can have 2 of 3 in one year if you commute or live near Den or ORD.
There are no regionals with superior pay or work rules to United and after 12 months you will be making significantly more money. Significantly.
There are no regionals with superior pay or work rules to United and after 12 months you will be making significantly more money. Significantly.
#14
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Joined APC: May 2019
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Using your formula doesn’t paint the whole picture.
We have people who decide not to fly and still credit 1000 hours. For example, my longest time not being called on reserve was 56 days - 56 days at home where the phone didn’t ring once. That’s not accounted for in your silly formula.
We have people who decide not to fly and still credit 1000 hours. For example, my longest time not being called on reserve was 56 days - 56 days at home where the phone didn’t ring once. That’s not accounted for in your silly formula.
Since others have replied with block hours vs credit and actually used my silly formula I'm getting some info as desired but thanks for your $0.02 anyways. It was entertaining.
#16
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Howdy y'all, noob here.
I'm thinking of making the jump from a regional and it kind of boils down to QOL vs pay so I need your help.
I'm at about 10% company wide with ~12 yrs left before I pumpkin out. So the thought is to get on with UA and sandbag in the right seat for the duration of my career unless an upgrade outweighs at some point. I'd be giving up initial QOL for more $$ over the term but am trying to get an idea of the pay differential and whether the $$ is worth the loss of current QOL. Pay rates are known but don't tell the whole story.
That's where you come in. Would you F/O's (no offense to my fellow grey hairs) mind chiming in with your multiplier as follows:
2018 gross (not including company 16% 401k) divided by pay rate divided by credit hrs. For me it came to 1.17.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
I'm thinking of making the jump from a regional and it kind of boils down to QOL vs pay so I need your help.
I'm at about 10% company wide with ~12 yrs left before I pumpkin out. So the thought is to get on with UA and sandbag in the right seat for the duration of my career unless an upgrade outweighs at some point. I'd be giving up initial QOL for more $$ over the term but am trying to get an idea of the pay differential and whether the $$ is worth the loss of current QOL. Pay rates are known but don't tell the whole story.
That's where you come in. Would you F/O's (no offense to my fellow grey hairs) mind chiming in with your multiplier as follows:
2018 gross (not including company 16% 401k) divided by pay rate divided by credit hrs. For me it came to 1.17.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
#17
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Joined APC: Aug 2014
Position: Crj
Posts: 51
Hi, I have a little brain. Can you explain how the formula works and what you learn from it so that people with little brains can understand?
I made 215k. if I divide that by my hourly rate It would be 977 credit hours... now you want me to divide my credit hours by my credit hours? That is weird. If you asked me to divide my 977 by my block hours it would be around 2.0, that would make more
Sense to my brain
I made 215k. if I divide that by my hourly rate It would be 977 credit hours... now you want me to divide my credit hours by my credit hours? That is weird. If you asked me to divide my 977 by my block hours it would be around 2.0, that would make more
Sense to my brain
#18
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Joined APC: Apr 2014
Position: ORD 737
Posts: 31
IMHO you are putting too much thought into this. You will end up making more money, having more time off (most likely), better overnights and less time waiting on the curb for a hotel van here than you would, hands down. The only downside is your vacation will be negative for a few years in comparison. Make the jump!
#19
2018 gross (not including company 16% 401k) divided by pay rate divided by credit hrs. For me it came to 1.17.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
That's all I'm looking for, not actual pay. Also years on property, reserve or lineholder will be helpful too.
This will help me get a better idea of actual pay so thank you in advance.
This item alone is such a massive difference from any regional, and some/most majors, that it becomes an major point of compensation comparison. Add your own 10-16% every year and you'll max out the IRS limit from now until retirement. That's ~50k a year, compounding, until you retire. Think about what you're putting away now versus what you can do with that.
Most have mentioned the other obvious issues. If you have any friends at UAL now, have them show you the reunionlane seniorty website to give you an idea of the amount of retirements and movement that is coming in the next 10 years. Serious upward movement through nothing more than attrition, not to mention any additional growth. You wont retire at 10%, but you certainly won't be all that junior either.
#20
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Joined APC: Oct 2009
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IMHO you are putting too much thought into this. You will end up making more money, having more time off (most likely), better overnights and less time waiting on the curb for a hotel van here than you would, hands down. The only downside is your vacation will be negative for a few years in comparison. Make the jump!
Let’s not dismiss job satisfaction either. I did just shy of 10 years at the regionals and my experiences are all blurred out for the most part. One crappy hotel on minimim rest to another crap hotel after 3-6 legs is about all I remember. However my first time using United call sign, first landing in Lihue, first round of golf in Edinburgh, first Sangria in Lisbon, first hike in the Andes Mountains, first take off during a brilliant sunset out of Hong Kong, first wave caught in Maui etc, etc, etc is all still VERY vivid in my memory. The experiences and job satisfaction I have had in just a few short years here is astounding and I will cherish them when I retire. And now 4 years in, I’m always getting my first bid group award, every holiday off, 16 days on average off and I usually drop one trip a month to get around 18-20 days off.
I hope this also helps with your decision! Best of luck.
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