Travel benefits for life after retirement
06-12-2019, 01:08 AM
#31
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
No you missed the point about the attitudes of those dissing on the retired men and women of this Corp. It, the retiree pass redaction, began after the merger and if you remember correctly the former CAL had even more ominous SA policies.
Essentially we dumped on the only gift given to anyone who retired from this outfit, all in the name of “me.” Because no one should have an unfair advantage over me. If that isn’t ego I don’t know what is.
But enough about boats, cars and airplanes let’s talk about me. Remember that old joke about male pilots?
For those interested in the current retiree boarding priority here it is from the FT web site.
“Your board date is a calculation of completed days, months and years of service to the company subtracted from your travel date. Retirees and early-out participants have a board date in a day, month and year format. If two retirees have the same board date, their Pass Riders are cleared for the flight based upon time of check in.”
“The calculation is based on the days, months and completed years of service to the company:
(Years of service x 365 days) + (Months x 30 days) + days = total number of days”
From the Q&A for pass travel and retirees.
Just about to purchase another discount ticket anyway.
Another pointless thread.
Essentially we dumped on the only gift given to anyone who retired from this outfit, all in the name of “me.” Because no one should have an unfair advantage over me. If that isn’t ego I don’t know what is.
But enough about boats, cars and airplanes let’s talk about me. Remember that old joke about male pilots?
For those interested in the current retiree boarding priority here it is from the FT web site.
“Your board date is a calculation of completed days, months and years of service to the company subtracted from your travel date. Retirees and early-out participants have a board date in a day, month and year format. If two retirees have the same board date, their Pass Riders are cleared for the flight based upon time of check in.”
“The calculation is based on the days, months and completed years of service to the company:
(Years of service x 365 days) + (Months x 30 days) + days = total number of days”
From the Q&A for pass travel and retirees.
Just about to purchase another discount ticket anyway.
Another pointless thread.
Seniority and YOS rule this whole career, pass riding isn’t any different....nothing to do with ego.
06-12-2019, 04:31 AM
#32
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
Seniority and YOS rule this whole career, pass riding isn’t any different....nothing to do with ego.
06-12-2019, 05:54 AM
#33
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Originally Posted by Regularguy
Joe your right it’s just the hard cruel parts of life. Don’t honor anyone who goes before us, no gifts, no nothing for the retirees, and nothing special just pull the plug.
Retirees still get vacation passes that evens out the boarding priority when they use them.....I think.
06-12-2019, 07:00 AM
#34
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Travel is no longer a benefit. It's more a crap-shoot. Non-reving should be called Non-flying. In the last 8 years, I have been on the JS about half of the time that I have flown, and not by choice. Want to take your special lady friend along? Goooooooood luck.
I think that we need to get out of the mindset that we have travel benefits. As for me, pay me more and I'll just buy tickets.
I think that we need to get out of the mindset that we have travel benefits. As for me, pay me more and I'll just buy tickets.
07-06-2019, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by SilverLake
Lol, sounds like you travel during spring break, known hard destinations during summer months, and major holiday’s. Of course it’s a benefit. You just have to be smart about when and how you travel. Otherwise, yes, but a ticket. Of my 40 years of non-reving, 2/3 of that traveling under a parent that was in the industry, has it always been perfect, no. Have I had to two leg it at times, or sleep in an airport because I didn’t make it, yes. However, the vast majority I have made there and back no problem...due to traveling smart. To say it’s not a benefit that if seats are open to Paris in FC, and you literally last minute book it for you and whoever, fly there for free in FC...ummm, I’m missing something.
You're missing quite a bit and assuming a hell of a lot. Paris over the holidays? Try ORF, SEA, IAD or ORD. If not for the JS, I'd barely get anywhere. And as far as my 'enrolled friend', she's spent far too many nights in airports waiting for the next flight. Historically speaking, pass travel is barely the benefit it once was.
Your guesstimate of my travel patterns is so far off the mark that I won't bother addressing it. I'll gladly stack my 32 years up against your 40 for comparison. Riding on your parent's seniority date likely paid dividends that other pass riders may not have enjoyed. And my post was more about what pass travel has become (in the last decade) rather than what it once was. Today, it sucks.
Nice tie.
07-06-2019, 05:49 PM
#37
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Originally Posted by navigator
Starts with age 45-50 with 20 years active service, then on a sliding scale goes down by age and years of service (see below). That gives you fee waived coach and first with service fee. 25 years active gives you both coach and first with no fee.
age 51 and 18 years, age 52 and 16 years, 53 and 14, 54 and 12, 55 and 10 and finally 65 and 5
age 51 and 18 years, age 52 and 16 years, 53 and 14, 54 and 12, 55 and 10 and finally 65 and 5
07-06-2019, 09:26 PM
#38
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Originally Posted by SilverLake
Lol, sounds like you travel during spring break, ...
My limited experience over the past 3 years mirrors that of Old Mako and others: it is an extremely limited benefit for anything I want to do.
My preference would be that the Negotiating Committee find a better alternative. What's the answer? I'm sure there are many. Personally, I'd be willing to give up non-rev travel benefits in exchange for a much bigger discount on ticket purchases.
07-07-2019, 12:02 AM
#39
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I have been retired for quite a few years now and was originally a United guy.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
07-07-2019, 09:02 AM
#40
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Originally Posted by graybeard
I have been retired for quite a few years now and was originally a United guy.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
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