Travel benefits for life after retirement
#61
#64
You keep saying "a couple of bucks". The combined pilot group has shown through their last two ballots that a couple of bucks is more than adequate and that hourly rate is more important than contractual language (namely, work rules and other contractual benefits). I vehemently disagree with them.
Perhaps I am overly dramatic. But we either need better non-rev language and opportunity, or we need something to take their place. One need look no further than the vacation pass shenanigans that occur every single day.
Non-revving was great when I was a new hire. But I'm planning on buying tickets once retired. I don't want to waste any more heartbeats in commercial airports than I have to. Scheduled 3.5 hour sits in Houston and Chicago and oversold flights while trying to travel have worn me to a nub.
Last edited by oldmako; 07-09-2019 at 07:48 PM.
#65
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Joined APC: Oct 2010
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I have been retired for quite a few years now and was originally a United guy.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
Just a few observations:
Lets start with all the early retirements now; they didn't exist in the past.
You had to be OLD.
Another that never seems to be recalled correctly; Yes it was true that some retired people got on ahead of active employees of greater seniority, BUT (BIG BUT HERE) that was only employees who retired with a min. of 25 years of seniority.
Couple here have hypothesized there was a situation where someone who had worked 10 or 20 years could get on ahead of an active; NO they could not.
This was the gold watch that United gave to their most loyal employees.
Now they get nothing.
Another mentions the Survey that was given to all employees; what a complete and utter piece of dung, that was. That was written to steer the masses directly to where they wanted it to go. If you didn't see that you had to be blind.
Another mentions that retirees getting Vacation passes evens things out. WRONG!!!
At least it seems that most would not begrudge a retiree the ability to stay in the UPPER TIER of pass riders, wow, how magnanimous.
The retirees never asked for the priority given to the 25+ guys, it the only perk given as a retiree of that level. Nor do we ask for it now.
But it does not seem unreasonable to be allowed into the same tier as the actives. Continental had their own ideas of how to treat retired people and you will feel it everyday once you walk away.
earlier this year the southwest credit card had a great sign up deal. Spend $4k anywhere in the first 90 days and you got a travel companion for the year for free. That’s buy one get one free confirmed seats the entire year. Nonrev is BS. I don’t know what you’re complaining about. Isn’t there some kid on your lawn to yell at.
Last edited by Qotsaautopilot; 07-09-2019 at 08:32 PM.
#66
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Joined APC: Dec 2009
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Posts: 3,655
Did you want the gold watch instead? You didn’t give years of service. You worked for a paycheck just like any employee at any company. You weren’t even loyal when you did it for years. You did it because your seniority wasn’t portable. Did you work after your 60th birthday? I don’t think the rest of us have given you any greater gift than that. Those last 5 years were enough to buy FC tickets til death.
earlier this year the southwest credit card had a great sign up deal. Spend $4k anywhere in the first 90 days and you got a travel companion for the year for free. That’s buy one get one free confirmed seats the entire year. Nonrev is BS. I don’t know what you’re complaining about. Isn’t there some kid on your lawn to yell at.
earlier this year the southwest credit card had a great sign up deal. Spend $4k anywhere in the first 90 days and you got a travel companion for the year for free. That’s buy one get one free confirmed seats the entire year. Nonrev is BS. I don’t know what you’re complaining about. Isn’t there some kid on your lawn to yell at.
#67
Zenofzin,
1. My post was an overall statement on an internet forum, not a NC-perfected legal statement to bring to the company. Yes... certainly if something like this were to happen, we would expect the NC to negotiate protections for commuting pilots and FA's.
2. I commuted for my probationary period, plus about 6 months, so I do understand the predicament you are in, and appreciate your concerns.
3. I have flown with a number of Captains that commute from crowded locations, and tell me that they often buy a ticket. A significantly more discounted ticket for commuters would potentially help those commuters that operate out of a stressed location.
Even though it is a benefit for ALL employees, everything can be negotiated. I'm hopeful that, as the benefit deteriorates in value, the union will find a way to get us something back for it.
1. My post was an overall statement on an internet forum, not a NC-perfected legal statement to bring to the company. Yes... certainly if something like this were to happen, we would expect the NC to negotiate protections for commuting pilots and FA's.
2. I commuted for my probationary period, plus about 6 months, so I do understand the predicament you are in, and appreciate your concerns.
3. I have flown with a number of Captains that commute from crowded locations, and tell me that they often buy a ticket. A significantly more discounted ticket for commuters would potentially help those commuters that operate out of a stressed location.
Even though it is a benefit for ALL employees, everything can be negotiated. I'm hopeful that, as the benefit deteriorates in value, the union will find a way to get us something back for it.
#69
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Joined APC: Sep 2013
Posts: 919
And for those of us that live where we work????? Sorry, the commuter's answer always seems to be get something that only benefits them? Sorry if I don't want to expend any negotiating capital on easing commuting, but that will never make my list. The fact that we can live virtually wherever we want is an unbelievable benefit when compared to any job elsewhere, it doesn't need to be further enhanced at the expense of those of us that chose to live where we work.
#70
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Joined APC: May 2009
Posts: 1,825
And for those of us that live where we work????? Sorry, the commuter's answer always seems to be get something that only benefits them? Sorry if I don't want to expend any negotiating capital on easing commuting, but that will never make my list. The fact that we can live virtually wherever we want is an unbelievable benefit when compared to any job elsewhere, it doesn't need to be further enhanced at the expense of those of us that chose to live where we work.
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