mmm123

Yes sure agree regularguy, but a withdrawal of service at UAL, good luck. Hey where's that early seamless agreement that I kept hearing about last year. Lol, yep keep grabbing those trips.

Andy

Our leverage is NOT decreasing. There aren't a ton of new pilots out there; we continue to raid LCCs and regionals causing short staffing in their operations.
In spite of what the bubble headed bleached blonde says on the 5 o'clock news, the economy is NOT about to fall apart. There is record demand for air transport.

A lot of angst on this thread. Perhaps those of you feeling that way should ask the union to just push for contract extensions in the future - much quicker than a full section 6 negotiation and if you only care about pay, that is the fast track to get better pay.

oldmako

Perhaps we should have done the work and negotiated a new contract when the old one became amendable? Back when we gave them the relief they wanted for peanuts and the economy was booming?

Nahhhhhh.

I suspect that we're in for a long wait.

Monkeyfly

We'd still be negotiating, and be stuck at a far lower pay rate. How long do you think your fellow pilots would last holding the line on scope in that scenario?

oldmako

You may be right. Obviously, I think otherwise.

We sold them something of value that they needed for peanuts. At the time the company was printing cash and the economy was humming along nicely. Now, we have one thing that they want, and we're unlikely to cave on it. Stalemate.

The economy has been on a sugar high for years. That will certainly end and many economists have been sounding the alarm bells. Hardly a great time to be negotiating a new contract. I expect minimal gains, whenever they show up.

I hope I'm wrong.




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Itsajob

Scope is the one part of the contract negotiations that doesn’t really worry me. Our seniority list is comprised of people who either watched their movement stagnate or go backwards while the regionals boomed, those who spent years on furlough, or even two furloughs, and new hires who spent the lost decade enjoying all that the regionals have to offer because scope was relaxed. It doesn’t matter which side of the nut house you come from before the merger, or if you were hired after, maintaining our scope language is one thing where I don’t question our solidarity.

Floyd

Our last pay raise was not a contract but an extension we were paid for giving the company relief.

I guess I should have said I could live with any contract for an extremely long time before I vote to allow more RJs at the regionals.

Andy

The raises that came with that extension allows many more of our union members live with the current contract an extremely long time without allowing more RJs at the regionals.

As far as this negotiation lasting a long time, let's see how the rank and file feel when they discover that there's no pay raise in 2020 without a new contract.

Floyd

Pay raises come in varying ways. New aircraft and upgrades fatten the wallet. I think a large number of the rank and file knew this day was coming. For many sadly, experience provides understanding.

FL370esq

Fixed it for you. 😁