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ToughCall2020 08-29-2019 05:47 AM


Originally Posted by Itsajob (Post 2878597)
For someone with your experience flying for the regionals may feel like a kick in the teeth. It won’t be fun or family friendly. On the other hand I’d think that you need to be current to improve your chances of getting picked up at a major, but be prepared to be there for a longer period than you may want. There is no telling when your name will be selected for an interview. Another option could be the freight outfits, typically better pay and not dealing with brand new pilots all of the time. Their schedules are pretty brutal though. Good luck.

Awesome reality check. Thanks.

Blackhawk 08-29-2019 05:53 AM

Is there a chance? Sure. But I'm not sure how much. The only people who really know how the apps are scored are in HR, and they won't be posting here.
Your best bet is to go the CTP route with a regional and get both boxes checked. Most don't require the CTP to be paid back, just any bonus money you take. So park the bonus money and pay it back if hired by a legacy/LCC.
Will you fly weekends with a regional? Yup. But you know what? Umm... the legacy airlines fly on weekends as well. Much of the flying at a regional is the same, just a smaller airframe.

rickair7777 08-29-2019 06:09 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2878605)
Much of the flying at a regional is the same, just a smaller airframe.

Meh. Longer legs at the major => fewer legs, less unpaid turn time.

My typical regional days was 2-5 legs, credit 4-5, duty 10-12.

Typical major day is 1, occasionally 2, legs, credit 7-9, duty 8-10.

There are some regional planes/domiciles which due to location/mission will have more "major-esque" schedules.

Blackhawk 08-29-2019 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by rickair7777 (Post 2878609)
Meh. Longer legs at the major => fewer legs, less unpaid turn time.

My typical regional days was 2-5 legs, credit 4-5, duty 10-12.

Typical major day is 1, occasionally 2, legs, credit 7-9, duty 8-10.

There are some regional planes/domiciles which due to location/mission will have more "major-esque" schedules.

When I finished my regional flying on the -700 it was 2-3 turns a day. But yeah, in general the legs will be longer at a legacy, though in some of the narrow bodies this may not necessarily be the case. A regional -175 pilot probably won’t be doing much different from a Delta A-220 pilot.
But still, both will be flying weekends. The statement that at a regional you will fly weekends, like you won’t elsewhere, is pretty silly.

awakenedpilot 08-29-2019 06:19 AM


Originally Posted by ToughCall2020 (Post 2878599)
Awesome reality check. Thanks.



Check your PM...


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Andy 08-29-2019 06:35 AM


Originally Posted by ToughCall2020 (Post 2878439)
Bottom line, any chance a major hires me directly in next 8 months or so (without going to a regional at all)?

About a one in a million chance of going directly to a major after that long of a break in flying. And yes, I understand you've been doing some GA flying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA


Get some time at a regional and you'll be hired. It would probably be a bit of a reach, but you can also apply to Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue.

ToughCall2020 08-29-2019 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by Andy (Post 2878621)
About a one in a million chance of going directly to a major after that long of a break in flying. And yes, I understand you've been doing some GA flying.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KX5jNnDMfxA


Get some time at a regional and you'll be hired. It would probably be a bit of a reach, but you can also apply to Allegiant, Spirit, Frontier, JetBlue.

Good stuff. Thanks.

jumppilot 08-29-2019 09:16 AM


Originally Posted by ToughCall2020 (Post 2878595)
With a full mil retirement, at FO pay in a major, I will be able to turn down trips and easily make enough to achieve the QoL we desire. Am I missing something with that logic?

Yes, the whole turn down trips thing. Only senior people are able to drop their trips (day trips, etc) due to desirability and even in that case they are rarely able to drop down to what they want.

It’s a catch 22 - once you’re senior enough to drop desirable trips you don’t mind doing them anyways because they are desirable.

The first few years at United you’ll be on the road 16-18 days a month grinding out 4 day trips.

okawner 08-29-2019 10:16 AM


Originally Posted by jumppilot (Post 2878733)

The first few years at United you’ll be on the road 16-18 days a month grinding out 4 day trips.

This has not been the case for me whatsoever. Just finished year 4 and average block per year 300 bidding reserve in base. Maybe junior lineholders or reserves in different bases/categories have it worse but it doesn't have to be.

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NovemberBravo 09-01-2019 08:45 AM


Originally Posted by Blackhawk (Post 2878614)
When I finished my regional flying on the -700 it was 2-3 turns a day. But yeah, in general the legs will be longer at a legacy, though in some of the narrow bodies this may not necessarily be the case. A regional -175 pilot probably won’t be doing much different from a Delta A-220 pilot.
But still, both will be flying weekends. The statement that at a regional you will fly weekends, like you won’t elsewhere, is pretty silly.

Those days are long gone on the 700 we do 3-5 now mostly 4-5 legs a day.


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