University of North Dakota - Ode to a Scab
09-22-2019, 09:53 PM
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University of North Dakota - Ode to a Scab
Clay Lacy.
The Scab
A Poem by: Jack London (1876-1916)
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."
"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."
"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."
"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself." A scab has not.
"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army." The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.
Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."
I have a AF friend at AA, he is a very staunch unionist. Imagine his angst when his alma matter, University of North Dakota, gave to Clay Lacy an honorary degree. If you are an alum, he requests you contact your school and make known your displeasure. What follows is his message regarding his thoughts about this particular scab. Please forward this info as you see fit.
Moderators: This is a scab. A constitutionally protected freedom of speech, as decided by the US supreme court.
"Ms. Carlson Zink:
I am writing to you on a very important matter pertinent to your position as UND Alumni Association & Foundation CEO.
I am a 1983 Graduate of the University of North Dakota, with a degree in Aviation Administration. I am also a 28-year Veteran of the USAF, having served in and during multiple armed conflicts during my career, including the First Gulf War. Additionally, I am an American Airlines Boeing 767 Captain and I have been a proud Union Member since I was hired in 1991. I have served on many local and national Union committees. I have also served on the Allied Pilots Association’s (APA) Board of Directors as both a local Union Representative in Los Angeles, where I was then based. This means that as a board member I participated in setting the goals, priorities and negotiating strategy of the union, as well as to vote on any Tentative Agreements before being sent to the Membership of the APA for ratification.
American Airlines now has over 15,000 Pilots and all but a handful are also APA Members. Your numbers of how many American Airlines Pilots are also UND Graduates are likely pretty accurate and I’ll bet we’ll both agree that number is substantial now and continues to expand with the growth and success of UND’s John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences. What’s true at American in terms of numbers of UND Graduates is also likely just as statistically significant at Delta, United and Southwest Airlines, who together with American now total some 80% of the market. From my days at UND, in the USAF and with the Union work I have done, I can assure you I know quite a few Pilots at all of these air carriers to well know how we collectively feel about any attacks on our profession.
Upon receipt of the September 2019 edition of UND’s Alumni Review, I was absolutely shocked to learn what had been done, all without any notice I ever saw! I have attached a picture I took of page 4 from the just stated magazine edition, which is from you and wherein you are also pictured which was presumably sent to all UND Alumni for which the University has an address. Necessarily, this would also include a substantial amount of Unionized Airline Pilots such as myself.
What you and the University have done, is to honor a SCAB in the most embarrassing and discrediting way to the University! SCAB means “Still Collecting All Benefits,” and it is well known what Clay Lacy did while at United Airlines. As it appears you and/or UND were either unaware or ignored this, please go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Lacy
The key statement, with the associated footnote reference is this:
During the 29-day United Airlines pilot strike of May 1985, Lacy was one of the first pilots to cross the picket line and return to work on May 17, thus undermining the unionized pilots' attempts at better pay and work rules. This forever earned him a spot on the Master Scab List and the unceremonious title of "airline scab".[12]
I can represent to you that there have been questions as to his true birth date and therefore that he may have flown in violation of Federal Law because he may have altered his age on documents by as much as three years.
Simply put, this is not someone who represents at all the integrity and honesty which I know UND institutionally represents. The history of Pilots unionizing is based upon ensuing the safe operation of aircraft. In that the vast majority of our passengers now take for granted that we will safely transport them from place it place is demonstrative of our success and what Clay Lacy and other SCABs have done goes directly to undermining the safety which is and has been a hallmark of all US Airlines for quite some time now.
I am requesting UND to look into what’s been done and revote the honorary degree UND gave to so-called “aviation pioneer” Clay Lacy.
In the mean time, I am going to promulgate what UND has done to a wide variety of Unionized Pilots who are also UND Graduates, so they too can voice their outrage and protest.
Furthermore, as you can see, I have copied Mr. Jonathan Gehrke of the UND Alumni Association & Foundation,so he understands what has occurred, my objection, and the fact that I shall immediately terminate my ongoing donations to the University, absent a response from you to state action and investigation by the University will promptly occur. I will also immediately inform other Unionized Airline Pilot UND Graduates via the contacts I have that I have taken this position.
Thank you for your time, consideration and prompt reply to address the issues I have presented.
John Clark
UND Class of ‘83"
The Scab
A Poem by: Jack London (1876-1916)
"After God had finished the rattlesnake, the toad, and the vampire, he had some awful substance left with which he made a scab."
"A scab is a two-legged animal with a corkscrew soul, a water brain, a combination backbone of jelly and glue. Where others have hearts, he carries a tumor of rotten principles."
"When a scab comes down the street, men turn their backs and angels weep in heaven, and the devil shuts the gates of hell to keep him out."
"No man (or woman) has a right to scab so long as there is a pool of water to drown his carcass in, or a rope long enough to hang his body with. Judas was a gentleman compared with a scab. For betraying his master, he had character enough to hang himself." A scab has not.
"Esau sold his birthright for a mess of pottage. Judas sold his Savior for thirty pieces of silver. Benedict Arnold sold his country for a promise of a commission in the British army." The scab sells his birthright, country, his wife, his children and his fellowmen for an unfulfilled promise from his employer.
Esau was a traitor to himself; Judas was a traitor to his God; Benedict Arnold was a traitor to his country; a scab is a traitor to his God, his country, his family and his class."
I have a AF friend at AA, he is a very staunch unionist. Imagine his angst when his alma matter, University of North Dakota, gave to Clay Lacy an honorary degree. If you are an alum, he requests you contact your school and make known your displeasure. What follows is his message regarding his thoughts about this particular scab. Please forward this info as you see fit.
Moderators: This is a scab. A constitutionally protected freedom of speech, as decided by the US supreme court.
"Ms. Carlson Zink:
I am writing to you on a very important matter pertinent to your position as UND Alumni Association & Foundation CEO.
I am a 1983 Graduate of the University of North Dakota, with a degree in Aviation Administration. I am also a 28-year Veteran of the USAF, having served in and during multiple armed conflicts during my career, including the First Gulf War. Additionally, I am an American Airlines Boeing 767 Captain and I have been a proud Union Member since I was hired in 1991. I have served on many local and national Union committees. I have also served on the Allied Pilots Association’s (APA) Board of Directors as both a local Union Representative in Los Angeles, where I was then based. This means that as a board member I participated in setting the goals, priorities and negotiating strategy of the union, as well as to vote on any Tentative Agreements before being sent to the Membership of the APA for ratification.
American Airlines now has over 15,000 Pilots and all but a handful are also APA Members. Your numbers of how many American Airlines Pilots are also UND Graduates are likely pretty accurate and I’ll bet we’ll both agree that number is substantial now and continues to expand with the growth and success of UND’s John D. Odegard School of Aerospace Sciences. What’s true at American in terms of numbers of UND Graduates is also likely just as statistically significant at Delta, United and Southwest Airlines, who together with American now total some 80% of the market. From my days at UND, in the USAF and with the Union work I have done, I can assure you I know quite a few Pilots at all of these air carriers to well know how we collectively feel about any attacks on our profession.
Upon receipt of the September 2019 edition of UND’s Alumni Review, I was absolutely shocked to learn what had been done, all without any notice I ever saw! I have attached a picture I took of page 4 from the just stated magazine edition, which is from you and wherein you are also pictured which was presumably sent to all UND Alumni for which the University has an address. Necessarily, this would also include a substantial amount of Unionized Airline Pilots such as myself.
What you and the University have done, is to honor a SCAB in the most embarrassing and discrediting way to the University! SCAB means “Still Collecting All Benefits,” and it is well known what Clay Lacy did while at United Airlines. As it appears you and/or UND were either unaware or ignored this, please go here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clay_Lacy
The key statement, with the associated footnote reference is this:
During the 29-day United Airlines pilot strike of May 1985, Lacy was one of the first pilots to cross the picket line and return to work on May 17, thus undermining the unionized pilots' attempts at better pay and work rules. This forever earned him a spot on the Master Scab List and the unceremonious title of "airline scab".[12]
I can represent to you that there have been questions as to his true birth date and therefore that he may have flown in violation of Federal Law because he may have altered his age on documents by as much as three years.
Simply put, this is not someone who represents at all the integrity and honesty which I know UND institutionally represents. The history of Pilots unionizing is based upon ensuing the safe operation of aircraft. In that the vast majority of our passengers now take for granted that we will safely transport them from place it place is demonstrative of our success and what Clay Lacy and other SCABs have done goes directly to undermining the safety which is and has been a hallmark of all US Airlines for quite some time now.
I am requesting UND to look into what’s been done and revote the honorary degree UND gave to so-called “aviation pioneer” Clay Lacy.
In the mean time, I am going to promulgate what UND has done to a wide variety of Unionized Pilots who are also UND Graduates, so they too can voice their outrage and protest.
Furthermore, as you can see, I have copied Mr. Jonathan Gehrke of the UND Alumni Association & Foundation,so he understands what has occurred, my objection, and the fact that I shall immediately terminate my ongoing donations to the University, absent a response from you to state action and investigation by the University will promptly occur. I will also immediately inform other Unionized Airline Pilot UND Graduates via the contacts I have that I have taken this position.
Thank you for your time, consideration and prompt reply to address the issues I have presented.
John Clark
UND Class of ‘83"
09-22-2019, 10:46 PM
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Kudos to an American Airlines pilot for calling out UND for aggrandizing a United scab. I hope he was just the first.
However, what do you want to bet scab Lacy gave UND some money and the honorary degree is his thank you. It’s going to be up to UND alumni to end all support and contributions. I’d turn my back on that university as quick as I turn my back on a scab.
Within United ALPA, we need resolutions to end CPP programs with UND. Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of great pilots who have come from UND. But they now need to be judged by the company they keep.
However, what do you want to bet scab Lacy gave UND some money and the honorary degree is his thank you. It’s going to be up to UND alumni to end all support and contributions. I’d turn my back on that university as quick as I turn my back on a scab.
Within United ALPA, we need resolutions to end CPP programs with UND. Don’t get me wrong, there are lots of great pilots who have come from UND. But they now need to be judged by the company they keep.
09-23-2019, 04:41 AM
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Ben Franklin once wrote “If we don’t hang together, surely we’ll all hang apart.” That’s the kind of beliefs that made our country great, scabs work to tear it all apart. Melodramatic, I for one think not.
09-23-2019, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by oldmako
Only if you're among the forget and forgive crowd.
Here’s the typical thought process:
“You guys can’t live in the past, that was like X years ago!”
(5 mins later)
“Why don’t we have a contract?!?! I don’t understand why we don’t have more leverage.”
09-23-2019, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by TiredSoul
A little overly melodramatic don’t you think?
Clay Lacy was one of the worst. He can't really claim ignorance for scabbing. He did it knowingly, and to gain advantage over his fellow pilots. He did it again with the, my birthday was wrong, family bible trick. Very low class.
The labor movement has been dealt many setbacks in the last few decades, so many do not fully realize the extent of the harm of a scab. Both to the individual, and to the group in lack of unity---which directly leads to bargaining power. Double whammy, scabs not only try to take your job, but weaken your bargaining position and your pay check.
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