Bo could hit, run, and deal with rogue pilots. Bo knows Flight Office. He could do it all.

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Fixed it for you.

Could there be fire when you see that much smoke?

SFO has a revolving door of flight managers. And a Total turn over of office staff.

My first hand exp is twice negative. Once pressure was applied when unwarranted, and the other time I was left unsupported when I needed it.

This is disappointing. Sounds like LCAL “Chiefs”. If anyone, a gate agent, a flight attendant, a cleaner, accused you of anything you were guilty until proven innocent. The first question asked in any interaction was,” what is your sick bank”. Good pilots had heavy sick banks. Bad pilots had low sick bank hours. The chief pilots office was to be avoided if at all possible. Hopefully this is not a trend. The LUAL way of flight office mgt. thankfully won out after the merger.

Except in SFO

It’s not the Chief Pilots Office, it’s flight ops. Their office just happens to be there. Small but significant difference.

Ok, why is it so significant?

I’m in no way defending anything the SFO CP has/has not done to anyone in the past but just read the flight ops update and was touched to see what he, ACP Snow and former Flt Mgr Higgins did for one of our pilots who suffered a terrible bicycle accident months ago that landed him in a wheelchair , most likely for life. His seniority now holds captain and these three flew to SLC in full uniform to present him with his captain wings/uniform pieces and visit with the family. Not saying that makes up for anything in the past that any of you have personally witnessed (I’ve never had much interaction with the SFO CP) but certainly a step in the right direction.

Flight Operation’s main office is in Willis Tower with branch offices in pilot domiciles. The nuance is that the staffing and tone projected in the CPOs is intentional.

Whatever, it’s an office. The Chief Pilot sits there and keeps his stuff in a desk in that office. I’m gonna keep calling it that. I still use cockpit, jetway, and two T**ty coke machine so I may be getting fired soon.

I have never heard the expression two t**ty coke machine

Ya the technical term is Flight Attendant, or so I’ve been told. Perhaps in the Chief Pilots Office....

They don’t care being referred to as Aisle Donkeys either...

Because flight ops is OUR office. It’s OUR work place. To call it the CPO diminishes that, as if we’re guests in our own home. Subjugates the pilot group as visitors. It’s the other way around.

Amen, brother!

I have never heard that last one before and hope I never do.

I was told the very same person she was trying to help turned her in.

I was in the Chief Pilots Office (CPO) just the other day, it’s next to the weather room....CPO must be a new trigger word?

Years ago just after the merger I got asked by a visiting guppy crew where the Chief Pilot’s Office was. I told them “Its in flight operations.” They said “Oh...where’s the weather room”? I told them I have no idea but I’ll intro them to the chief pilot. We got down to ops and I said the chief pilot is this way and they said this is what they were looking for and called it “the weather room”. I’ve never heard of operations being called the weather room until that time.

I have no problem calling things whatever, but some guys still call a category a BES even though that’s not the term we use, but they I get chastised when I call the CPO “flight ops”. So I guess we are even.

Door codes at EWR say “Flight Planning Area in the Chief Pilot Office”. Pretty clear to me. Not sure what JEPP says but probably more of the same.

CAL traditionally did not flight plan in the area designated by corporate real-estate as flight operations (where the Chief pilot’s offices are). We had WX rooms (FPAs with actual humans that printed our flight plans out etc and where computers and stand up desks/chart tables like you see today at IAH/EWR). UAL, due to a standoff with airport operations (Pete McDonald) only had flight planning areas within the designated real estate allotment for flight operations. It was the norm (as it is now in those domiciles as stated in the FOM) to meet there and flight plan, chit chat etc before walking down to the gate. CAL pilots only went down to flight operations to check v-files or see someone in the CPO about something. Schedules could be checked/computer training available and lounges were present in the “CPO” but meeting the other pilots on the trip for flight related activities occurred on the concourse level “WX Rooms”. FOs used to be required to sign the release on the first flight of the trip. The releases were printed out by the WX room staff (much like the DORs in UAL flight ops) and placed in the turn table. The FO would normally arrive early (domestic) and review the printed flight papers, sign the release, return the release back into the turntable and proceed to the gate if the captain was not there. Captain would arrive, pull the papers, look for signature of FO as a way of confirming that he/she was 1. At the airport 2. Okay with the release/fuel/MEL if any etc. and review/sign, leave copy of signed release with rep and proceed to the gate. Long haul crews did the planning together like we do today.

Huh? Seriously, when did we stop calling it BES??

Bunch of nerds. Jetway or PLB, CPO, Flight Ops or FPA, 73, or 37 or guppy....who cares? People who get wrapped around the axle on this stuff crack me up.

“Pairing,” no It’s an “ID”, actually it’s now called a “trip”.....
What else?

Category!

It’s the contract term and what is used by the company and ALPA.

2-K Category is a Base, Equipment, and Status combination (e.g. ORD 756 F/O) to which a Pilot is assigned.

Functioning Under Conformity......does not spell FUN

Oops! Fixed.

No need to fix it....what it actually spells is a synonym for FUN.

Well played, both of you sirs! :D

We could all be that lucky 🤞

Exactly....