April and may solution
 

for 2 months only for a start I am willing to work less and not for less

So I suggest

Every single pilot flying or TK or management gets 50 hrs credit for the month at their hourly rate.
man power decides how many they need to fly and or reserve per seniority and the rest stay home.
monthly pilot payroll will be around more or less 60 percent of what is usually monthly .

last I check pilot payroll is around 3.2 billion per year with flight ops budget of 4 billion or so
that will be almost 800 million or so saving for the company for 2 months and after that we shall see and act based on how things going

No furloughs
my choice if I had the magic wand

problem is that this is going to last years.....

If I had a magic wand I’d let our elected representatives negotiate on our behalf.

I doubt that and think about
450 retiring every year given or take the company will be calling the seating home flyers as they need them and when all back everything back to normal schedules

fair I agree, I just stated my opinion
lets hope they do their best and by the way no scope relief and start parking RJs as well

I doubt that as well. Even the worst pandemic in history, the Spanish Flu, fizzled out after 18 months. The sun will still rise tomorrow and the next day. Life WILL return to normal, and you'll be able to buy toilet paper again. Relax, deep breath, and don't worry about stuff you have no control over.

There wasn’t a global airline industry around to destroy in 1918.

It may end in 18 months, but life will not return to normal for this generation if it's 1918.

"The Spanish flu pandemic of 1918, the deadliest in history, infected an estimated 500 million people worldwide—about one-third of the planet's population—and killed an estimated 20 million to 50 million victims, including some 675,000 Americans."

World population today is 7.5 billion.

No toilet paper at Costco yesterday. Going to check Target today. Kleenex next. Paper towel after that!!

I think Home Depot has plenty of sand paper. :D

That’s awful. We don’t know how good we have it today.

What Did People Use for Wiping Before Toilet Paper?

In rural Mekong Delta there are piers for ****ting into the river and there is a fish adapted to eat your **** as soon as it hits the water. Then you wipe with banana leaves. I actually do have bananas in Florida but unfortunately no river or ca tra fish nearby, and banana leaves shouldn't be flushed.

Maybe, maybe not. It’s too uncertain to know yet. I think the 50 hour thing makes a lot of sense. If after the virus subsided and bookings are still low we can always do the f word then.

Hilarious. Banana leaves are way better than corn cobs. Or goose necks.

Not sure what this really means for us, but some recovery is occurring in China.

https://www.routesonline.com/news/29...ery-continues/

I think what he meant to say is, that even if the virus is short lived, (I think it'll be longer vs. shorter,) the affects on airlines and society will last years.

So, no hand shaking anymore? Do I not need to show that I am not carrying a weapon?

Stray porcupine...

Anyways, for those who are afraid this is the end, there will be a vaccine soon, and there are drugs (old drugs already in circulation) that they are now realizing work effectively at combating the virus.

But they won't report that news with oversized, bold headlines.

Just trying to play along with the numbers... do you mean payroll B3.2 per yr / 6 = 533M for two months, and 40% savings on that = 212M for two months, or did I (probably) miss something?

I think that went way over most people's heads, Dave. I know you, you're a killing machine even unarmed :). Hope all is well on the left coast.

A bear and a rabbit are taking a **** in the woods.

The bear turns to the rabbit and asks conversationally: "You ever have a problem with **** sticking to your fur?"

The rabbit, smugly, replies: "Nope, never."

The bear says "Good to hear it," picks up the rabbit and wipes his ass with the bunny.

Best 2nd post ever! Take note Sentinel...

The word starting to come out is that we are burning through over $120 million PER DAY.

$120M times 365 = $43.8B.

Operating Expenses for 2019 were $39B. Includes $9B in fuel, $2.5B in landing fees and other rent.

Possible, but the $120M/day number looks like it's a bit high. And assumes zero revenue.
I'm sure that the burn rate is insanely high, but $120M/day just sounds a bit too high. My uneducated guess (based on lowering some expenses) is $90-95M/day. Still outrageously bad and $8B is gone in less than 3 months at that rate.

Just for reference, on one of our (Delta) video updates from Managment it was mentioned we were burning approximately $40 million/day. Not sure if that is getting any better now that mass cancellations have begun and we aren’t flying practically empty planes everywhere.

Price of oil has plummeted too.

Yes, cut in more than half. That lowers the annual number by (uneducated spitball) $5B or so? And we're using less fuel which cuts another (uneducated guess) $2B off the cost. Total annual fuel cost could be coming in at $2B. We'll have to see what the Q1 numbers look like.

Looks like they may have met their numbers of volunteers or close to that at least

Now if everyone gets a 50 hour line awarded for April
there should not be furloughs I hope

You are good, hopefully no F/A will have you arrested for assault with a dead weapon.

Touché!!

Thanks, so far so good, but stuck in a hotel for 22 hrs on a closed beach....

Delta's salaries and related costs for 2019 was $11.2B. That's $30.7M/day for payroll alone.

United's salaries and related costs for 2019 was $12.1B. That's $33.2M/day for payroll alone.

Delta also has the benefit of only two Unionized work groups.

Or do what the Hajiis do in Afghanistan, don’t wipe!

fuel cost was the same at a price of 58 dollars per crude,
today crude is 18 or so.
so fuel spending will be 1/3 but the big problem is planes aren’t flying

If we all work or not work for 50 hrs pay I think we will get through this mess for the next few months as long as passengers come back

Cozumel? ..............

Tel Aviv-absolutely beautiful. Lots of restrictions. Not supposed to go outside the hotel. I'm thinking this is one of the flights that won't survive the week.

An interesting academic problem on the way down. Alternates. Not many places that will allow you to divert there. Of course declare an emergency, but then you'll be stuck there for quarantine. Alternate was Rota--Spain!

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[QUOTE=Dave Fitzgerald;3006397]Tel Aviv-absolutely beautiful. Lots of restrictions. Not supposed to go outside the hotel. /QUOTE]

That's senseless. The last place I'd want to remain is cooped up in that hotel. I'd be outside, walking, scootering, biking, etc. in the sunshine.

Oh well.

I'm on Vacation, so (not) missing all of this. Back on Reserve next month and wondering just how much flying there will be with only one destination. Hopefully, none.

Rota? My fini flight layover was there. Good paella in town.