UAL - manpower reduction options
03-31-2020, 10:25 AM
#151
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
A business that is trying to survive.
Have you even listened to one of the town halls available? They’re almost begging wide body pilots to take the ESRL. 73 hrs to sit at home and not fly on reserve or 55 to move on. Doesn’t take a math major to figure out 18 hrs in savings/month X $351/hr adds up pretty quick.
Have you even listened to one of the town halls available? They’re almost begging wide body pilots to take the ESRL. 73 hrs to sit at home and not fly on reserve or 55 to move on. Doesn’t take a math major to figure out 18 hrs in savings/month X $351/hr adds up pretty quick.
03-31-2020, 10:26 AM
#152
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Originally Posted by Sniper66
55 hrs
did they offer an early out at UAL?
That would be awesome if they did
did they offer an early out at UAL?
That would be awesome if they did
What’s next? International DH in coach for 1/2 pay?
03-31-2020, 10:27 AM
#153
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH
A business that is trying to survive.
Have you even listened to one of the town halls available? They’re almost begging wide body pilots to take the ESRL. 73 hrs to sit at home and not fly on reserve or 55 to move on. Doesn’t take a math major to figure out 18 hrs in savings/month X $351/hr adds up pretty quick.
Have you even listened to one of the town halls available? They’re almost begging wide body pilots to take the ESRL. 73 hrs to sit at home and not fly on reserve or 55 to move on. Doesn’t take a math major to figure out 18 hrs in savings/month X $351/hr adds up pretty quick.
Taking the ERSL for the short term is one thing. However, if I’m 62 right now, let’s suppose that six months from now things have recovered. You propose that I should sit it out at 55 hours / full benefits for two full years and generate zero revenue while doing so? That would be a savings?
03-31-2020, 10:35 AM
#154
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Originally Posted by Itsajob
I’m not going to underestimate how serious this is at the moment, but if they are so desperate to get widebody pilots to take an ESRL, they shouldn’t have come out with the offers that they did. I’m on a SRL for April and I’d bid that as long as possible, however given the enhanced options, this wide body pilot will be bidding reserve. I’d rather stay home than commute to reserve knowing that I won’t fly, I’d also like for the company to save money, but 30-35 hours now, and some more later isn’t going to attract many takers. If they would up their offer to 50 hours with no delayed compensation, they’d save more money than people deciding to deal with reserve rather than accepting these options.
I agree they should have made it better. It was admitted on the call that if they didn’t get enough takers they’d have to come back with a better deal. We can only hope that enough people don’t.
I too am on an SRL for April. I’m in SC distance (barely) but I can live with our contract 50 hrs. I’m not about to give the company a free unsecured loan until December though with the threat of BK out there if things don’t improve. I lived through BK and have seen what the company will do.
03-31-2020, 10:37 AM
#156
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Originally Posted by CousinEddie
Taking the ERSL for the short term is one thing. However, if I’m 62 right now, let’s suppose that six months from now things have recovered. You propose that I should sit it out at 55 hours / full benefits for two full years and generate zero revenue while doing so? That would be a savings?
Edited to add a link and correct my post. I thought it was 4 yrs for flying to return but it was 3 yrs. So yes historically speaking UAL could save a TON of money buying out the senior WB CAs.
https://www.bts.gov/archive/publicat...mber_13/entire
Last edited by UALinIAH; 03-31-2020 at 11:18 AM.
03-31-2020, 11:26 AM
#157
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Originally Posted by Oskeewowow
Is this hyperbole?
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Get over the fear, because life goes on. This will be a distant memory in the near future. Just learn something from it.
03-31-2020, 11:31 AM
#158
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Originally Posted by N6279P
55 hours is a lot less then the 70-75 hours you’re paying them if they stay at work.
The reality is most likely by September for many any amount of pay will be something to look forward to.
03-31-2020, 01:07 PM
#159
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Originally Posted by oldmako
DO NOT bet the farm on THAT!
Staunch ALPA guy here, but I have deep scars from previous missteps by the union. The latest feces to drip on our heads (the "enhanced" SRL line scat) should send a tectonic shudder right up your sphincter and into the base of your medulla oblongata.
Staunch ALPA guy here, but I have deep scars from previous missteps by the union. The latest feces to drip on our heads (the "enhanced" SRL line scat) should send a tectonic shudder right up your sphincter and into the base of your medulla oblongata.
Welcome back !
03-31-2020, 01:56 PM
#160
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Originally Posted by AxlF16
Serious question. How long have you been with UAL and how long in the industry?
Your myopia and whining are getting tiring. If you expect real leadership, why not practice a little real 'followership' and try to understand what is going on outside your bubble?
Your myopia and whining are getting tiring. If you expect real leadership, why not practice a little real 'followership' and try to understand what is going on outside your bubble?
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