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Lee

symbian simian

I am not UAL, and have no dog in your fight.
WAG numbers: 13,300 active pilots, management wants to furlough 3,500, and ALV is 75 hours.
So current hours is 1M, and SK wants 750K. If ALV gets reduced to 55 there is no need to furlough.

Payroll cost would be lower because average YIS would be lower.
Payroll cost would be higher because 30% more pilots getting health insurance.
Displacements will happen regardless.

Saving the company money on retraining cost is beneficial to everyone in the company.

Also, if a BK judge is calling the shots the whole UPA is out of the window.

ugleeual

just to be clear... you think it’s ok to have 13,300 pilots on part-time status? Most of us came to united to have full time jobs... not part time... any other great ideas?

N6279P

Most of us came to United to not get furloughed too. I think that’s a great idea.

Andy

I oppose
Pay rate cuts
MPG cuts
getting rid of premium pay and any other contractual incentive pay


I support hard caps on credit hours. No banking allowed; all credit above the caps goes to the furlough fund.

We've all seen credit time *****s take advantage of these times, with the company happy to have them get max credit hours so that recalls can be delayed. That needs to stop.

Grumble

Amen.

Filled

MasterOfPuppets

now there is an out of the box idea!!!!

ugleeual

true... I remember back in 2000 management told us to throw away our logbooks as we hit the jackpot... 2 furloughs later still have not updated it. I think you might be holding on to false hope... a reduced guarantee to save from furloughs is not going to happen.

say again

Solid advice for all airlines!

duvie

One of the reasons we cannot come to a consensus on this argument, is because the above statement is just mathematically not true. Obviously management has a number of block hours they need to cover, and the fewer hours each pilot can fly, the more pilots you need. So the question is not: would it save furloughs, it is: is it a good idea?

valid arguments:

- management has no real desire in having extra bodies, therefore we are wasting negotiating capital and time on an exercise in futility

- if we’re going to bankruptcy, the judge may ask what each pilot in each category makes on average, and cut our wages X% from that number (Rather than taking X% off the hourly rate ).

- this is a change to the UPA, which sets a bad precedent going forward


Responses:

- i’ll leave it to the union to decide which furlough mitigation efforts are most fruitful.

- I think a lot of us maintain that if we are in bankruptcy, there are so many other things to worry about, that this does not seem like a guaranteed scenario VS the threat of far fewer block hours than pilots is already upon us.

- as many of us have stated, we do not believe this is a concession in the strictest definition of the word, because it is not something that management would desire under normal circumstances either