70.0%, take E-SRL or 737FO Reserve QOL vs pay
05-10-2020, 03:52 PM
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70.0%, take E-SRL or 737FO Reserve QOL vs pay
To start: I was furloughed in 2008 and remain hopeful that we keep as many off the streets as possible. The threat line seems to be drawn at 30% (which is exactly where I sit) and I'd like the groups insights to best pay /QOL predicted options. No crystal balls here I get it....just looking for what your best Vegas bet would be.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
05-10-2020, 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
To start: I was furloughed in 2008 and remain hopeful that we keep as many off the streets as possible. The threat line seems to be drawn at 30% (which is exactly where I sit) and I'd like the groups insights to best pay /QOL predicted options. No crystal balls here I get it....just looking for what your best Vegas bet would be.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
- Pilot on this ESRL cannot be sent to long training, even if displaced
- Displaced pilots remain at the old pay rate until 8-F-7 triggers
- For those facing a pay rate reduction this may be attractive
- Displaced pilots remain at the old pay rate until 8-F-7 triggers
- This will also protect senior displaced pilots on a man for man basis IAW 8-F-5-c is junior pilot is on E-SRL with old pay rate
- Pilots facing displacement who are on May 4-month E-SRL or June E-SRL offers may consider converting to new offer to delay training and pay reductions
- Be sure to consider your Displaced Cateogory's E-SRL terms
The position you are bumping into dictates the the flavor of the new ESRL option.
05-10-2020, 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
To start: I was furloughed in 2008 and remain hopeful that we keep as many off the streets as possible. The threat line seems to be drawn at 30% (which is exactly where I sit) and I'd like the groups insights to best pay /QOL predicted options. No crystal balls here I get it....just looking for what your best Vegas bet would be.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
Assumptions: DCA based 777 displaced to 737.
With furloughs on the horizon, a displacement bid which put 1/3 of the company on NB...I'm really struggling with what option to exercise
a) Take the E-SRL, enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay at 60 hrs over 4 months and 1 month at zero (48 hrs per month averaged)
- Is the E-SRL pay rate my current rate or the rate of what the bid places me at (737)
- Seems like this would extend training to Nov and probably could eek out 777 pay thru Dec if I'm pay protected that long
b) Take the 737 displacement, wait for training and enjoy 777 12 yr FO pay until the latest the contract allows.
-- If I knew I was going to get furloughed, didn't have any other job lined up right away this seems like the no brainer. The company would not likely train you...so you'd spend the summer getting your stuff in order and enjoying QOL at home. If I expected furlough this is the best way to sock away the most amount of cash.
- will I remain DCA based is a huge question as well
The transparency on training isn't there and it makes all the difference. I have a feeling the company knows around what line number they are going to start to training in June which would be nice to know. If I get lucky and remain forecasted on property...and they elect to send me to train on the 737 in June that could make for a very painful summer. I'm guessing I'll have the most recent landings and be the guy called on reserve (potentially commuting if I can't hold DCA 737).
Any insights or opinions are appreciated.
In reference to what Lee said above...I dont see any concievable way for the lower payrate to trigger while you are on ESRL. It wont trigger until your first leg of OE.
05-10-2020, 05:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
You are DCA, so the new ESRL is a slightly worse deal for you. You are spread out over 6 months rather than 5, so 40 hr average vice 48 for 777 SFO/EWR.
So, if I take E-SRLI’ll hold onto 777 pay till first leg of OE...so at least till Jan/Feb then...so anyone senior to me would still keep that pay as well right?
05-10-2020, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by pilotgolfer
what were you flying before the 777? If you have been off the guppy less than 5 years...you could train very quickly. Disregard if you came off the 756. Its gonna be close if you can hold DCA. I hope you can because Im just a RCH senior to you and Im hoping to stay in DCA. If you want to hold onto the 777 payrate, bid whichever NB you havent flown yet.
In reference to what Lee said above...I dont see any concievable way for the lower payrate to trigger while you are on ESRL. It wont trigger until your first leg of OE.
In reference to what Lee said above...I dont see any concievable way for the lower payrate to trigger while you are on ESRL. It wont trigger until your first leg of OE.
Are you considering E-SRL? Thoughts on what risk/reward lies with guys at our position? I really wish we had some insight on training start dates.
Thanks for taking the time to respond.
05-10-2020, 06:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Cosmo
wow! Didn’t even notice that. Thanks.
So, if I take E-SRLI’ll hold onto 777 pay till first leg of OE...so at least till Jan/Feb then...so anyone senior to me would still keep that pay as well right?
So, if I take E-SRLI’ll hold onto 777 pay till first leg of OE...so at least till Jan/Feb then...so anyone senior to me would still keep that pay as well right?
Lee
05-10-2020, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Nucflash
You are DCA, so the new ESRL is a slightly worse deal for you. You are spread out over 6 months rather than 5, so 40 hr average vice 48 for 777 SFO/EWR.
Lee
05-10-2020, 06:22 PM
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Originally Posted by LeeFXDWG
Incorrect since he said he was bumping to 737 FO. Please see the chart above. ALL 737 FOs are the 5 month type. It’s where you are bumping to, not from.
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What would you do in my shoes/position?
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