Originally Posted by Huell

We still have not recovered what was taken from us back when the gun was held to our collective heads.

Originally Posted by Huell

The issue isn't 200-300k a year ... The issue is living paycheck to paycheck beyond your means without an emergency fund ... I know of people making lowly sums that make wiser use of their income within their means.

Originally Posted by AxlF16

Yes I realize that. I'm curious why a 2018 or 2019 hire feels the need to blurt that out. Since he has apparently gone mute I will fill in the blanks myself. He sounds upset that we won't accept MORE concessions since we already have so many. #amiclose

Originally Posted by AirMicronesia

Great question. It was the people whining about being broke with $50,000 whining bonuses.

Originally Posted by AxlF16

I didn't attack you - I simply added context to your position. If you'll notice my profile lists my position - EWR 320 Captain. Part of the problem with anonymous forums like this we miss this context if it's not shared. Frankly your opinion and views mean jack shti since you're not a United pilot and you won't get a vote if a TA is presented.

I hope the big asterisk I put next to your name helps others assess your inputs. As to your moral curiosity I will simply tell you this. Before you dip your toe into an issue it's a good idea to understand what you're talking about. If you want to offer an opinion on how some other pilot group can 'change' their contract - you should go look at and LEARN that contract. Anything less makes your musings even more meaningless. FWIW, I think it's even more egregious that UNITED PILOTS posting here apparently haven't bothered to open our contract and look at the very things they're advocating changing.

Regarding Aviate, it's a management program at this point so I don't really have much concern about it. It's intended to provide a pipeline of pilots in the future. When you show up in new hire class you'll be welcomed as a United pilot.

It's not the fact that you haven't been furloughed that leads me to disregard your lobbying. I was hired by United in Jan 97 and have never been furloughed. The difference is that I EXPERIENCED the labor/management dynamic, I LISTENED to people who had more experience, I've seen firsthand how management treats agreements with our pilot group, and I DON'T PRETEND to be smarter than everyone else on the forum. You simply don't know the culture of United Airlines and so far you seem aggressively determined to NOT LEARN IT from those who do. I hope your personality doesn't mirror what I get from you here because you will rub a LOT of us the wrong way.

I'll entertain you for a minute. Here's how it works. Right now our ALPA reps and designated committee members are interacting with management representatives to either consider management requests, offer ideas of our own, or both. It is only during this process that we (ALPA) will learn what agreements the company is willing to make. Foot stomper - this is the CRITICAL ISSUE. If the company is willing to make an acceptable agreement then it will presented to the MEC for a vote to see if they accept the agreement. They will then vote on whether it should go to member ratification (~materially affects pay or working conditions~). Only then will we be able to decide whether we (Active United pilots) will agree or not. Everything up to that point is, well, pointless. It's mental, typed, public masturbation. Only when an agreement is put before the membership is it appropriate to debate the pros/cons, details, pitfalls, etc... The deal is done at that point and can't be changed by the company. Right now any discussion could possible shape the conditions and terms of a companies proposal.

The correct way for a pilot to shape the ALPA position is to CONTACT YOUR LEC OFFICERS since COVID is preventing council meetings/resolutions. I've contacted my rep by phone, text, and email and have shared my thoughts. Every United pilot should do the same. We've been asked by our MEC to not negotiate in public (which is what is going on here), but pilots who know better still won't stop. You don't know better since you didn't get an email from the UAL MEC for obvious reasons. Myself and others have tried to politely explain this to you, but you still resist.

Originally Posted by Deathray

How do you know what they planned to do with their money?

Originally Posted by AirMicronesia

Nobody is talking about what people “planned” to do with their capital. We are talking about what they did with it and the financial hole they’ve placed themselves in. That hole makes them susceptible to voting “yes” for any concessionary offering that keeps the house of cards from toppling.

These guys were pooping their panties the very second the bad news started.

PS. That $1000/mo Tesla payment was on a used Tesla. 😳

Originally Posted by AirMicronesia

We are talking about what they did with it and the financial hole they’ve placed themselves in.

Originally Posted by AirMicronesia

I was banking money as a regional pilot and we made far less than you guys were this last decade. What the heck were you doing going further into debt? Lemme gue$$... Too many folks living beyond their means. I fly with a bunch of FOs that were wildly in over their heads. $1000/mo Tesla payments. $500,000 McMansions.

Originally Posted by KonaJoe

$500k gets you a McMansion... In Houston maybe.