Oletimer

a special MEC meeting for that? Where is the agenda published?

TFAYD

I am sure that they were informed of specific plans for Oct 1. They are now prepping the communication and cadence of messages from SK to BQ to ALPA etc.

Oletimer

just publish the minutes. That’ll do... we can all read.

ReadOnly7

closed session.

Oletimer

Don't ya just love closed sessions?

I hope no votes were taken. If so, that's a problem. All MEC votes need to be out in the open. They need to come out of closed session in order to take action and vote on anything. Otherwise, that's a violation of the CBL. It would be unconstitutional, out of order and improper. No voting...no problem.

If peeps were on trip loss and they were doing the business of the pilots we should be kindly accommodated and told what was discussed. publishing of the minutes is simply good form. sunshine is the best disinfectant. keep it all in the open and avoid the inquiries.

Thor

For claiming to be an “Oletimer”, you’re pretty clueless about how the MEC operates. The entire policy manual is available for download on the ALPA web site and does a really good job outlining process.

fanaticalflyer

It always amazes me the number of clueless pilots we have posting garbage like this. Unbelievable you don't know how ALPA conducts it's business and then go spouting off without lifting a finger to know your facts first. I guess you expect all business boards and top corporate meetings to detail all their minutes for everyone else in the company to see?! Just incredible.

Oletimer

The last time I read it it says in order to have a legal vote you gotta come out of closed session. it may be for 10 minutes, but you can't put action into things in the blind. That would be against the ALPA National CBL. I can't find any reference for the taking of votes in closed session. You can hear information, you can debate, you can argue. You can churn and make sausage.

Imagine a union that was totally and completely done in the blind. Would that be ok? Sorta reminds me of how the CAL MEC votes in 1983. Would it be ok to ratify a contract in closed session? how about an LOA that goes into the contract? No way that's cool.

Oletimer

publishing minutes for a union is how you get unity. Doing business in the blind is how you create and foster a climate of suspiscion, especially in times of stress. Reminds me of the collusion that existed in the CAL MEC.

It amazes me how many morons go out spouting off and who are clueless posting garbage that ignores history. Unbelievable you don't know how common mistakes are made and how pilots have been screwed in the past. Really shameful.

Closed session is designed for issues of "trust" whereby the non disclosure agreements you signed may be in jeopardy, or sensitive information is briefed, shared and discussed that may be a problem should it get out into the financial community. Ie insider information that could effect the share price. Company strategy, corporate governance, etc.

I've got a few clues in my clue bag...having been around the block for 30 plus years. thanks for the "education" boomer.

baseball

things like negotiating committee briefings, or anything relating to non disclosures should be in closed session.

But, if you want to vote on something it is prudent to come out of executive session and bring the issue out into the open.

Move the issue, second it, discussion and vote. the mover, of the motion, resolution, etc should be known. The seconder should be known. the vote should be recorded. A general summary of the discussion should be in the minutes. if a roll call vote is taken, all of that "vote tally" must be properly recorded.

Voting should not happen in a closed session. (emphasize should not). A union functions most efficiently and with the most amount of unity when it's business, which is funded by the dues payers is witnessed by the dues payers. If those dues payers cannot be present, then they should be able to read the minutes. they paid for those minutes with their dues.

I't's all about honoring the inverted pyramid that ALPA is. in ALPA, the membership is at the top of the pyramid.

I recall the closed session "joint venture flying agreement" that was nearly passed at CAL. This was in CLOSED session. The goal of the master chair at that time was to discuss it in the blind and then to come out of executive session and then pass it in the open. However, no MEC members were allowed to bring the LOA/MOU out of the MEC room and our members were not allowed to see the documents nor were we allowed to consult other attorneys. That sort of closed session is exactly what should NEVER occur in a union. If it had passed, the scope section would have been gutted and all of that would have been without accountability to the membership. There are dangers in executive session that are easily abused or mis-used. Even if not intentional., it can have disastrous results.