Originally Posted by GPullR

You can fly 50-70% of your flights all you want. Tsa numbers don't lie. Around 20% of birmal traffic. So if you fly 50-70% you will slowly die.

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Originally Posted by Aquaticus

There are pockets of demand all over the country. Domestic load factor was over 60% the past few days. Den has the highest load factors and southwest has been adding flights there for the past month while we up gauge our few flights a day. The TSA numbers aren't a lie but they are flawed. There aren't enough flights to book on and United has been cancelling too early as passengers are shifting towards a last minute booking model. With our refusal to issue refunds and only offering credit it has led to passengers holding on to their money until the week before when they hope the flight will go as scheduled. We have to be more nimble and make better decisions as an airline. We aren't going to survive if we wait for delta plus two weeks to make/copy their decision. When was the last time Kirby talked to us like Bastion just did his pilots?

Originally Posted by Get Real

You got punk'd BIG TIME!!

Do you read your contract comparisons? Let me help you out. 12 year SWA captain rate is 238 TFP and line guarantee for a 31 day month is 89. = $254k/ year. All the lines pay the same now. Throw in a little vacation overlap. There is almost no open time and even less premium flying. $285k a year for flying your line.

Originally Posted by LUVPLANES

So where are all the @ss holes that were arguing that Early Outs did not make financial sense.
Sure we can use the argument that we were waiting to see what everyone else was doing before we draft our own BS.
Oh well, let’s just keep arguing about UAL/CAL SLI or PP pick up because we have become the laughing stock of the industry.

We are SH!T.

Originally Posted by Aquaticus

There are pockets of demand all over the country. Domestic load factor was over 60% the past few days. Den has the highest load factors and southwest has been adding flights there for the past month while we up gauge our few flights a day. The TSA numbers aren't a lie but they are flawed. There aren't enough flights to book on and United has been cancelling too early as passengers are shifting towards a last minute booking model. With our refusal to issue refunds and only offering credit it has led to passengers holding on to their money until the week before when they hope the flight will go as scheduled. We have to be more nimble and make better decisions as an airline. We aren't going to survive if we wait for delta plus two weeks to make/copy their decision. When was the last time Kirby talked to us like Bastion just did his pilots?

Originally Posted by duvie

So, if we come out the other side of this and SK starts trying to grow (like he did several years ago, despite Wall Street’s criticism), do you guys keep up the “I should be boss of the world” condescending negativity or do you admit that you didn’t have all the facts and were premature with your conclusions?

SK isn’t Oscar and he’s got his flaws, but following others and shrinking to profitability isn’t one of them.

Originally Posted by Get Real

You got punk'd BIG TIME!!

Do you read your contract comparisons? Let me help you out. 12 year SWA captain rate is 238 TFP and line guarantee for a 31 day month is 89. = $254k/ year. All the lines pay the same now. Throw in a little vacation overlap. There is almost no open time and even less premium flying. $285k a year for flying your line.

We have a very tiny group of players in cartels who still carry around their W-2's from our retro pay contract year because as usual we went 4 years past amendable date so 4 years of retro on it. . Braggadociosly lying about our pay is part of their genetic structure for some reason, perhaps as a device to make up for other insecurities and inadequacies.

So I'm really sorry... sincerely. I wish that we had raised the bar (for once) but maybe we will at least maintain our own lagging bar in this black swan event as we did after 9/11. Hopefully that won't need to happen. Speaking of 9/11, remember right before 9/11 we were 39 percent below industry average narrow body pay.

Remember too, that we just got a B fund! We pay for our own parking. We have no long call reserve. I could go on and on and on.

Good luck to all my UAL brothers and sisters. Looking from the outside one of the positives I see is that solid retirement curve over there. The other is that your union and pilot group really have fairly consistently raised the bar and stood the ground. Thank You.

Originally Posted by Smooth at FL450

You’ve really gotta try hard to just fly your line here. Just showing up increases the likelihood of reassignments and premium pay. I’m just barely on year 5 FO pay and on track to make $200k without any open time awards awards. Adding 2000 flights to the schedule over the next 2 weeks and the open time picture has changed significantly. Only way to make $254k/ year as a captain is to call out sick for the entire year.

Originally Posted by Guppydriver95

While I understand the point you're making, the 254K part is flat wrong. A guppy Cap who doesn't pick up, and flies low time lines will be right in that range.

Originally Posted by Burton78

Meh. I don't do much extra (never work more than 14 days a month) and that's about where I'm sitting as a 6 year FO. Agreed we need to improve our contract though.