How long do recalls take?
 

Asked by one of the pilots I mentor who is on the block; “what capacity is available for recall? 20 per class? 2 classes per month? “ Can they go faster or will it take almost 2 years to get everyone back?

TK can do 100 a month at full throttle. 737 will have 13 sims when the MAX is certified.

Thanks MoP. That’s still a long time out for the bottom guys.

keep in mind that training back up will be just as quick as they trained down. They have the ability to RQ3 all the way to 60 months. If things turn around for next summer there may be some furlough pilots that can RQ2 in a week. What I don’t know is what triggers INDOC.

Copy all. Thanks! Good point about Indoc. I’ll try and find an answer and relay.

FWIW, INDOC can also be shortened but I don't recall the specifics.

Recalled pilots will get REDOC (short version) not INDOC unless they're out on Mil or Med for a very long time based on current AQP guidance. Also, pilots will return at a slower rate than they are furloughed. Some will take Mil commitments, others will go back to school and all other possibilities. Economic and travel recovery will dictate how quickly recalls occur. At his point I don't think anyone can guess at how long that will be accurately, but most industry analysts are currently guessing no later than 2023 FWIW.

I've heard capacity exists to bring back 200/mo at least until people are out a really long time and require longer courses, redoc, etc.

Given that we were able to process new hires around 120 a month, and recalls will require less training than that (Redoc vs Indoc, RQ3 etc.), I would speculate that the pace of economic recovery would be more limiting than TK throughput.

absent a mass produced vaccine, and/or eventual herd immunity with no chance of mutation/New strains, The economic fallout and lack of global consensus will prevent a V-shaped curve.

One (totally unqualified) person‘s opinion

More importantly, can I get my ID picture retaken when I get recalled? Not a fan of my current one.

Yes.

FYI, you can also get your photo retaken anytime but you'll pay a nominal payroll deducted fee.

Once recalled, what dictates how much time we have to return to training? Is it immediately or is there a window of time?

You can either accept the offered class or bypass recall up to TEN YEARS from date of furlough.

Once you bypass they won't call you again but you simply let them know which class you would like (provided classes are available.) So in theory you could take a class a month later or in several years.

The entire time you bypass you are still considered a furloughed pilot and retain your seniority number and travel benefits.

Once every furloughed pilot has been offered recall then UAL can hire off the street. This is why new hire classes the past several years had furloughed pilots mixed in.

I'd strongly recommend that every potentially affected pilot read section 7 of the UPA.

Can you return to the same base you were furloughed from?

Yes, but only if it's offered in your recall class and you can hold it in the drop.

If you are not recalled to the same base you are eligible for a paid move.

From what I remember, when a furloughed pilot gets recalled they are subject (initially) to whatever the unfilled vacancies are for that class. They can bid out to whatever their seniority can hold during a vacancy bid though once they’re an active pilot.

is that only on united cargo and subject to x lbs

No, it’s a full paid move.