Originally Posted by blindhorse1 (Post 3134095)

We will be a much smaller airline. That is a fact. How do you not see that?

Originally Posted by DH2time (Post 3134112)

Really bro? Is that the hill you are dying on right now? It’s not a socialist scheme as you call it. You get to vote on it and it will pass or fail on its merits.

Have a little empathy toward others. Look at it on the aggregate and not just “my money, my money, my money”.

This seems to be a heck of a good deal for both the company and the pilot group. The company saves quite a bit on training costs right now, saves furlough pay in the short term and doesn’t shrink the airline so much they can still show a viable business model to potential investors. They shrink 30 percent right off the bat they can not make enough in the future to pay their debt payments and that’s just plain old math right there.

The pilot group is helped out as potentially no layoffs immediately. The ones saved this year get 9 more months of pay, yes at reduced amounts and the remaining guys get to keep their seat and pay rate and all they do is give up a little on pay. Oh no I’m no longer making 350K this year I’ll have to survive on 230K how will we do it?!?? You make multiplies of the average American household right now, after a little cut you will still make multiplies of American household income.

Throw in the fact you just helped save a potential 2K pilots with average of 3 people depending on them, or 8K total people from being thrown into financial hardship, you can go to sleep on your 6K dollar temperpedic bed with a full heart. Smile you will be alright....

BTW survivor of furlough in the past, I have the empathy and sympathy for all those potentially affected by these uncertain times.

Originally Posted by eagleatr (Post 3134113)

Except for those of us at 50% reduced MPG that are in the bottom 3900 group subject to furlough.

Originally Posted by Dogbelch (Post 3134123)

I’m looking past the emotional heartstrings of those being furloughed with the ramifications of this scheme long term towards all of us and our cba.

Btw, my mattress is a Sealy...about $800 dollars and 5 years old.

Originally Posted by bottoms up (Post 3134118)

It is because factual based reasoning & logic is a thing of the past. You no longer have to agree with the end result and may adjust whatever is needed to satisfy you. I believe it was addressed in another post but I am glad to see if is alive and well within the ranks

revisionist history comes next and those who spent a lifetime to uphold the contract at a detriment far superior to what many will ever know will not be held in high regard but contempt for not giving up their seniority for the newly minted

Originally Posted by blindhorse1 (Post 3134136)

I don't think it is a thing of the past but, a gateway to the future. we must learn from our mistakes and apply what we have learned. That is why I think this LOA is a mistake, Period. It won't help the junior guys. It just gives false hope.

Originally Posted by TillerTemptress (Post 3134160)

"we must learn from our mistakes by doing the exact same thing that we always do"

Originally Posted by TillerTemptress (Post 3134160)

"we must learn from our mistakes by doing the exact same thing that we always do"