Hey just wanna say, WOW your crystal ball is not bad my friend. Nice work last March. Unfortunately you were very right.

not really. if the full amount of any offered loan or aid isn’t taken no furloughs until DEC 2021 (IIRC)

if and when we fly more the first 2/3 MPG improves accordingly so that hit (yes it’s a hit) becomes less.

if we’re still still under 40% or less in 24 months you and me and just about everyone is going to have a less than fun outcome no matter what contract or TA we’re under.

🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮

I find it a bit ironic that a group of right leaning pilots would be so quick to join in support of a socialistic concept such as this TA...,
I guess your ideology can get kind of fuzzy when you’re on the receiving end...

Thank you C12 for doing the right thing
and not jumping in line.
Leadership.....

Hope the moderators take a good look at your personal insults... maybe we’ll get a vacation from your BS

Great question!

What happens to my “carve out” displacement pay protection if the company decides to park a fleet, Airbus, and my 100% Capt vacancy bid? The TA lists no “trigger” for parking a fleet.

Paragraph K.2 does need the ALPA finance guy to explain what this means on the virtual road show. He’s the only one on any of the zoom love-a-thons the union has put out that’s been an effective communicator. Not saying it’s a deal breaker but I have a feeling it means we will have this TA for the full 2 years. Assume that and decide I guess.

sparrowhawk is not the guy you are thinking of.

Don't think so.

That’s my going in assumption, full two years of this TA for those left on property and 8 months of the TA for the bottom 2850 or so.

if the company furloughs more than magic 2007, Then the TA (LOA) is void for all of us

“Holder shall wear (strong) corrective lenses while exercising the privileges of his airman certificate.”

I can’t even begin to understand why you are upset about what this paragraph says......only seat on the jet is middle and the agent gives you a window and you are going to be ****ed?

Are you assuming they'll tell you when they re-seat you in the computer? Can you imagine being denied middle seat pay after actually sitting in 9B during the flight because the computer says 21A? Nevermind, I'm sure that would never happen.

Axl, if this happened to me, I’d grieve it and explain that I was never reseated and I’m 95% sure I’d get paid. And in that particular situation the fault lies with the gate agent, not the pilot pay person or pilot. is it annoying… Yes. But for potentially $500 after taxes… I will take the 20 minutes to grieve it. I have found that if things are done in good faith on my end, I am always paid per the contract. YMMV. One of my best friends works for AA and that is certainly not his experience.

If you want to feel like a victim, there are 1000 places to feel mistreated in this job. Starting with things that actually matter, like every single health study that sites regular sleep cycles as one of the best things you can do health wise after managing weight and getting your heart rate up.

I stand by my statement but change to 2007, good catch

My post was in response to the new language re. seat assignments. There will be consequences for this change. I just gave you a preview of how it will be abused. You really need to look at this TA with more skepticism.

[/QUOTE] 5-C-1-g-(1) Notwithstanding section 5-C-3, a pilot may be re-seated out of an Economy Plus middle seat into an Economy Plus aisle or window seat if such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure
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That is some serious tin foil hat stuff there Axl......I get the skepticism but I feel like you are down a rabbit hole here. Like Duvie said grieve it and if you are truly that mistrusting then snap a picture of the seat you gave on the United app. Every seat change has a traceable time stamp.

There certainly are timestamps. Perhaps that's why you see the new language?
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f such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure[QUOTE]

You can call it tinfoil league I guess, but the language is clear in what it says - and what it doesn't say. I guess we'll see what happens if the TA passes.. Tinfoil hats aside,, are you really this trusting of management?

f such seat is made or becomes available (due to any reason) prior to Departure[QUOTE]

You can call it tinfoil league I guess, but the language is clear in what it says - and what it doesn't say. I guess we'll see what happens if the TA passes.. Tinfoil hats aside,, are you really this trusting of management?[/QUOTE]

not necesarily I just think this would be a very easy win for the grievance committee and I think the company has better things to do then change seats at the last minute to force you to sit in a middle seat for free.

that language wasn’t written by the company because quite frankly they could care less what seat you sit in in economy. That was written to prevent a gate agent from saying I’m to busy to switch your seat goodbye.

not necesarily I just think this would be a very easy win for the grievance committee and I think the company has better things to do then change seats at the last minute to force you to sit in a middle seat for free.

that language wasn’t written by the company because quite frankly they could care less what seat you sit in in economy. That was written to prevent a gate agent from saying I’m to busy to switch your seat goodbye.[/QUOTE]

Did your LEC rep verify how that language got included? I hope your read is correct.

Dude,

Can you throw me a reference on that exact verbiage. I’m looking through the full TA and am not seeing it.

I. Work Reductions 3.a.v. (pg 9)

Thank you

filler...........

This was addressed today. This is a gain for the pilots. Nothing in the TA allows moving HDOs. This only applies to Global RDOs; and those moves are now limited to 4 days.

Where is the dissenting opinion (from the 3 no votes) that was customary in previous contract votes? It's been a total "Yes" sales job...

The Q&A said that the pro and con statements will be released by Monday.