Synopsis of TA: Company vs ALPA “Gets”
01-21-2022, 07:10 PM
#81
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Originally Posted by StewBlu
i don’t feel divided in the least. I’m sorry others do.
you are right though…the company did win. And so did the pilot group. I’m glad the company I plan on working for for 25+ years did well and I am even more glad our profession proved “there is a better way.”
you are right though…the company did win. And so did the pilot group. I’m glad the company I plan on working for for 25+ years did well and I am even more glad our profession proved “there is a better way.”
01-21-2022, 08:28 PM
#82
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Anyone trying to grade the TA needs to admit the major caveat that save 1 month, we never really operated under its conditions. Government cheese kept us all on the payroll, and very few here have any reason to be other than very grateful for that. We’ll never know how much damage months on end of split payscales could have done to pilot unity, but it wouldn’t likely have helped.
The TA was a gamble- as all contracts are. I didn’t particularly love the bet, but it’s the bet we happen to have placed. Then the house covered the bet before the dice were ever rolled. Any attempt to divine how those dice would have landed or to credit that bet with our current state would be purely academic. Just be glad for the chips we have & move on.
My 2˘.
The TA was a gamble- as all contracts are. I didn’t particularly love the bet, but it’s the bet we happen to have placed. Then the house covered the bet before the dice were ever rolled. Any attempt to divine how those dice would have landed or to credit that bet with our current state would be purely academic. Just be glad for the chips we have & move on.
My 2˘.
01-22-2022, 04:09 AM
#83
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: guppy CA
Posts: 5,152
Originally Posted by Barley
I was assured by many of you message-board warriors I’d be furloughed last summer(among many other wild claims that of course never materialized) if the pandemic recovery agreement passed. Instead I upgraded. So weird! 🤷🏻♂️
I’m sure most are still in denial and the angry keyboards are about to fire-up anyway. That’s okay! Whatever vent you need to be halfway tolerable in the actual job, my friends.
I’m sure most are still in denial and the angry keyboards are about to fire-up anyway. That’s okay! Whatever vent you need to be halfway tolerable in the actual job, my friends.
Congrats on the upgrade and all the best to you in this roller coaster business.
01-22-2022, 02:13 PM
#84
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Joined APC: Jul 2018
Posts: 444
Originally Posted by DC462
Hmm. Well let’s see, we don’t have a new contract. After how many years? The latest MEC MOU, that wasn’t discussed with membership beforehand to just bail the company out by allowing the top 5% to get 300% PP trips while the 95% bottom get nada because they are either in an overworked fleet or very underused fleet. Hmm…. I thought mk the facts of the current day actually support OldMako’s point. His post was (unfortunately) completely accurate.
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01-22-2022, 03:56 PM
#85
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Joined APC: Jan 2014
Posts: 425
Originally Posted by hummingbear
Anyone trying to grade the TA needs to admit the major caveat that save 1 month, we never really operated under its conditions. Government cheese kept us all on the payroll, and very few here have any reason to be other than very grateful for that. We’ll never know how much damage months on end of split payscales could have done to pilot unity, but it wouldn’t likely have helped.
The TA was a gamble- as all contracts are. I didn’t particularly love the bet, but it’s the bet we happen to have placed. Then the house covered the bet before the dice were ever rolled. Any attempt to divine how those dice would have landed or to credit that bet with our current state would be purely academic. Just be glad for the chips we have & move on.
My 2˘.
The TA was a gamble- as all contracts are. I didn’t particularly love the bet, but it’s the bet we happen to have placed. Then the house covered the bet before the dice were ever rolled. Any attempt to divine how those dice would have landed or to credit that bet with our current state would be purely academic. Just be glad for the chips we have & move on.
My 2˘.
01-22-2022, 05:25 PM
#86
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Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: 777
Posts: 2,158
Originally Posted by oldmako
Motch,
As far as my opinion aging the time frame I had in mind when I posted was a hell of a lot longer than two years. Time will tell how much unity and resolve will remain.
Say, how's that new contract coming?
As far as my opinion aging the time frame I had in mind when I posted was a hell of a lot longer than two years. Time will tell how much unity and resolve will remain.
Say, how's that new contract coming?
01-23-2022, 03:51 PM
#88
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 859
Originally Posted by horrido27
Actually, it aged as I and others had expected. And a few have posted on here too.
In the end, while the threat of furlough sucks, it's part of a contract and a seniority list. What this 2 year period HAS shown us is that the company won and there is a divide between pilot employee groups.
SO be it.
If you are/were able to upgrade while still having your WARN Notice, congrats. I expect that there will be a movement in the future to amend the reserve rules if it helps "fill" those unfilled slots while making life for the Y2Capts tolerable.
We have shown management that we are not worried about a new contract but will continue to make deals to keep the operation going so they look good.
In the future, when I and others like me (numerous on forums and on the line) are gone [5-15yrs from now] those of you who wonder how this career become so diluted will be able to look back at 2020 and realize where the step went wrong.
Keep in mind, you only have to ask Legacy United pilots about what they use to have to realize how far we have fallen behind.
At some point, more of you will realize that management has one goal- turn a profit.
We are file numbers (lol). Nothing more.
We are coming up on 6 months where we still have over 300 healthy and willing pilots out on the street due to their RAP and holding a line. Yet nothing from our union nor the company. Lines get drawn in the sand. Time will tell if those lines were valid or if they get covered up by the waves.
No matter what-
Fly Safe, Fly Professionally and Fly the Contract
Always
Motch
PS) with the new hires now running around, help them out and mentor them as best as you can.
The union isn't about the PAC or the 8ball, it's about the contract and helping out the guys/gals besides you and below you.
In the end, while the threat of furlough sucks, it's part of a contract and a seniority list. What this 2 year period HAS shown us is that the company won and there is a divide between pilot employee groups.
SO be it.
If you are/were able to upgrade while still having your WARN Notice, congrats. I expect that there will be a movement in the future to amend the reserve rules if it helps "fill" those unfilled slots while making life for the Y2Capts tolerable.
We have shown management that we are not worried about a new contract but will continue to make deals to keep the operation going so they look good.
In the future, when I and others like me (numerous on forums and on the line) are gone [5-15yrs from now] those of you who wonder how this career become so diluted will be able to look back at 2020 and realize where the step went wrong.
Keep in mind, you only have to ask Legacy United pilots about what they use to have to realize how far we have fallen behind.
At some point, more of you will realize that management has one goal- turn a profit.
We are file numbers (lol). Nothing more.
We are coming up on 6 months where we still have over 300 healthy and willing pilots out on the street due to their RAP and holding a line. Yet nothing from our union nor the company. Lines get drawn in the sand. Time will tell if those lines were valid or if they get covered up by the waves.
No matter what-
Fly Safe, Fly Professionally and Fly the Contract
Always
Motch
PS) with the new hires now running around, help them out and mentor them as best as you can.
The union isn't about the PAC or the 8ball, it's about the contract and helping out the guys/gals besides you and below you.
Sincerely,
one of the POOR SAD FOs who got to keep his job in a TERRIBLY divisive fashion instead of being laid off, like a real man! (while others pick up open time) POOR ME!
I feel even worse for the 1500 new hires!
These poor bastards don't even know that their fellow pilots could again vote to stick together, rather than the traditional 'gee whiz' response to furloughs from senior pilots. Don't even get me started on the HORRENDOUS treatment of middle tier pilots, many of whom were FORCED to accept their higher pay rates after being downgraded! SO SAD! DIVISIVE! Pilots HATE making money! Real men, real-TRUE-unionists take avoidable paycuts! Like MEN! (and do nothing to help their peers, out of pride)
The worst part about this whole sad ordeal is that every pilot who has been here for a year can be a Captain, in multiple bases! THE HORROR!
All for one, and see you in 5 years! - TA no voters mantra (2020)
I honestly cannot understand some people.
01-25-2022, 07:37 AM
#90
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Joined APC: Jul 2015
Posts: 859
Originally Posted by Bat Guano
That's only because you can't see past your nose.
Hopefully a big furlough will come so a few hundred or thousand pilots can see what REAL unity is like, from Home Depot! Maybe we can vote in a paycut too!
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