Originally Posted by UALManager (Post 3132181)

What are you ”buying” with your TA by accepting or rejecting it? Try to really answer for yourself without looking at the answer key below. C’mon man, don’t peek yet (Joe Biden). Let me touch your hair (ok, just had to add that it has nothing to do with this but wink wink we all know what it means when old Joe says it)
What are you getting as a group in return for your money? Some of you think that it’s jobs or juniors. Really, do you think that’s what you’re buying? It’s a nice consequence but no. That’s not what you are buying. Financially, if your bottom 3-5k had no jobs for about the next 6-8 months. In fact, I’d greatly prefer they didn’t get paid, only from a purely financial standpoint. It’s nice to have happy employees too, but not at that massive cost.
What you are buying, because really you are considering “buying” something. What’s the real carrot for you?:
1. Seniority - or at least retained seniority. Thousands of seniority numbers for yourself in functional terms. What would you pay to go up 5k? That’s not perfect, but what would you pay not to drop 5k? That’s not perfect either. How bout this – what would you pay to be #8000 of 8000 pilots with no pay rate protection vs #7400 of 13000 with some of you getting some pay rate protection. Assuming 5k furlough and 600 EO. What’s really crummy is being #8001 of 8000 on your list. How much would you pay for that? Everyone’s answer is different I guess, and none are wrong, even $0.
You get a whole slew of other benefits too, but that’s the big one you’re buying. You are buying your pay/seniority going forward. One of the two (or both) is going down one way or another no matter what. I could even make the case that the junior guy is buying your higher seniority rise with his greater % income loss. It’s incorrect, but less incorrect than you thinking you’re subsidizing his junior job. Some big holes in my argument by the core is correct. I know it’ll still anger some of you to hear. If you get all blocked up about it we can send some granola bars. You're only subsidizing yourself.

Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3132178)

I was here for all that and with that being said, explain what that has to do this AIP

Originally Posted by JoePatroni (Post 3132223)

How much are you giving up?

Originally Posted by Hedley (Post 3132312)

Let me guess..... You are at the end of your career, fairly senior in your seat, not displaced, not interested in an early out, and focused only on maximizing your pay for the next 2 years. Is that a close description ? You are on a crusade over this. How about calmly discussing the data here and letting people decide for themselves?

Originally Posted by UALManager (Post 3132181)

What are you ”buying” with your TA by accepting or rejecting it? Try to really answer for yourself without looking at the answer key below. C’mon man, don’t peek yet (Joe Biden). Let me touch your hair (ok, just had to add that it has nothing to do with this but wink wink we all know what it means when old Joe says it)
What are you getting as a group in return for your money? Some of you think that it’s jobs or juniors. Really, do you think that’s what you’re buying? It’s a nice consequence but no. That’s not what you are buying. Financially, if your bottom 3-5k had no jobs for about the next 6-8 months. In fact, I’d greatly prefer they didn’t get paid, only from a purely financial standpoint. It’s nice to have happy employees too, but not at that massive cost.
What you are buying, because really you are considering “buying” something. What’s the real carrot for you?:
1. Seniority - or at least retained seniority. Thousands of seniority numbers for yourself in functional terms. What would you pay to go up 5k? That’s not perfect, but what would you pay not to drop 5k? That’s not perfect either. How bout this – what would you pay to be #8000 of 8000 pilots with no pay rate protection vs #7400 of 13000 with some of you getting some pay rate protection. Assuming 5k furlough and 600 EO. What’s really crummy is being #8001 of 8000 on your list. How much would you pay for that? Everyone’s answer is different I guess, and none are wrong, even $0.
You get a whole slew of other benefits too, but that’s the big one you’re buying. You are buying your pay/seniority going forward. One of the two (or both) is going down one way or another no matter what. I could even make the case that the junior guy is buying your higher seniority rise with his greater % income loss. It’s incorrect, but less incorrect than you thinking you’re subsidizing his junior job. Some big holes in my argument by the core is correct. I know it’ll still anger some of you to hear. If you get all blocked up about it we can send some granola bars. You're only subsidizing yourself.

Originally Posted by 130shadow (Post 3132329)

Nope. 12 years to go and in the middle group. But have been here for 23 years and have been burned 1 too many times and know better than to vote for concessions.