Regarding the “con” statement....
 

For the middle third L-UAL voters:

The C12 Chair, who was one of three who signed this statement and who was MEC Chair during pivotal moments of the last furlough, did NOTHING for you when you were out on the street. She cozied up to Tilton and left you to rot. Remember that.

For the lower third voters:

Consider the above as you ponder what the future holds for you.

So should I vote yes to spite her?

No votes are borderline scabbish. Voting to furlough is pretty much what it's coming down too. No pandemic has lasted more than 2 years. Union first..not because we love the MEC or our Alpa president. Because we are in this together.

Vote as you wish.

As our current MEC chair cozies up to SK. LOL

Quite the opposite. If it were ALL @ 50 MPG, that would be a fair TA. But the top 1/2 are voting to keep their BES and or CA bid. So who's voting for who?

Boderline scabbish? Are you serious calling people that want to UPHOLD a contact and not vote in a concessionary contract a scab?

You need help

That is exactly what he did.

Just unreal.

Don’t be like PJ...

Fixed it for him.

Irrelevant and reeks of desperation which doesn’t change her factual analysis.

Do you guys understand how the refrain “I don’t trust the union, I’m doing what’s right for me” might sound a little concerning?

Even voting yes I bet they furlough 2000 on June 1, 2021 because the TA allows that. The only way I don't think that happens is with a faster turn around than most are expecting.

If we vote no, they will furlough 2,850 this year, and most likely another 1,000+ on top of that by June 2021. The company is going to slash pilot cost starting next month. We can either tell them to furlough as many as they need, or collectively buy some time. It’s not a good TA, but it is what we have. Kirby is up against the clock. Congress is going to be obsessed with the open Supreme Court seat and extending the PSP is way on the back burner and the fire is just flickering. When this election is over, the company is going to react accordingly. They will go full speed with the TA, or the furlough plan.

As a pilot due to be furloughed on Oct 1, I will say this is one of the most insulting, inflammatory, and juvenile posts I’ve read on the subject. I am ashamed to be associated with you.

Have you considered the incremental furlough cost beyond 2850? Those additional 1000 come at a significantly higher cost to the Company - every single one of them. It’s not like furloughing FAs. I think there’s a good reason the additional 1000 haven’t seen WARN letters. And all of those will require 3 months advance notice with furlough pay and vacation. That’s a lot money. Why haven’t they sent the letters already if they intend to furlough? What’s it cost to send a letter?

It costs stock prices. Pilots=planes to Wall Street. They will send them last minute after prepping Wall Street.

Did they have to rename the TA because it doesn’t really mitigate furloughs...??

Should’ve renamed it the “Furlough mitigation for six months and less pay for 2 years or more concessions agreement “

^This. As well as the vast majority of this churn is the byproduct of reassuring the analysts that mgmt is ready and willing to CUT COSTS to avoid bankruptcy and LOOK COMPETITIVE until a recovery may occur.

They only need 60 days notice for a WARN letter. Our CBA says that those will need 90, but not more than 120 days notice. If this fails, I’d expect the CBA furlough notices to go out as soon as early October for January furloughs. It doesn’t cost anything to send a letter, but there is a narrow window for when they can go out.

Totally agree with everything you just posted except I’m optimistic the additional 1000 won’t be out the door or not at least as soon as you say.

I sure hope that you’re right. Everything about this stinks. I’m reading, listening to other pilots and the union, and trying to play devil’s advocate with both sides of the issue trying to gain as much info as I can before I vote. If we vote no, I’m pretty sure we’re going to furlough hard and fast. If we vote yes, we may save all the furloughs (I think unlikely) or at least cut the number in half, while allowing more flexibility to get back to where we were. I’m not considering what is good for the shareholders or Kirby, I’m considering what could potentially keep other families from going through what many of us have gone through and providing a path to quickly put this behind us so that I can get back to my cushy long haul international gig.

The C12 Chair is hands down the most respected pilots in all of United Airlines. You need to take back your words right now.

Says the guy with the biggest anti-Insler agenda on the planet and the fractured, poorly written libel to go along with it. What a pathetic hypocrite.

You need to get on the right side of history.

Very funny! Good to see that the Gardener has a sense of humor!!! LOL!

Go ahead and hold your breath, and jump up and down...

if we were truly "in this together"....Then..............Management would be working for about half wages. And the other work groups would be taking cuts too. And, in pilot land, we wouldn't be in 3 separate life boats, or buckets. Since we are in 3 buckets............I personally think the bottom third has too much in their bucket. The others being asked to give too much so your life boat can be provisioned to a higher level than is deserved.

Show me on this anatomically correct female rag doll precisely where you were hurt. Poor thing.

What are you going to do if he doesn’t take it back? I suggest you bang the keyboard on moms table until it breaks then throw the computer across the basement.

​​​​​​​Please put us all out of your misery.

Interesting choice of words with "Union" as we are asked to divide ourselves.