TA passed
 

TA passed 58% 42%

today I’m proud to be part of one of the best pilot groups in the industry. United has always been a strong union group and today proves that.

when I was hired I was told my half wing represented a year of learning what it meant to be a United ALPA pilot. I was told to watch and learn about what that pin means and how we will be here to take care of you and each other. I was told to keep the education alive and buy beers and dinner for the new hires and help them learn the ropes.

im proud of my union and my fellow pilots that we stood up and put our money (letteraly) where our mouth is. A generation of pilots will be forever grateful.

United setting the bar low! The new Mesa!

TA passed 58% 42%

today I’m proud to be part of one of the best pilot groups in the industry. United has always been a strong union group and today proves that.

when I was hired I was told my half wing represented a year of learning what it meant to be a United ALPA pilot. I was told to watch and learn about what that pin means and how we will be here to take care of you and each other. I was told to keep the education alive and buy beers and dinner for the new hires and help them learn the ropes.

im proud of my union and my fellow pilots that we stood up and put our money (letteraly) where our mouth is. A generation of pilots will be forever grateful.

:( Hope you’re right, but I doubt it.

“[to his knights] The winner of this tournament—no, no, the privilege—will have the honor of rescuing the beautiful Princess Fiona from the fiery pit of that dragon! Should the winner fail to return, the runner-up shall take his place, and so on and so forth... Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice I am willing to make.” Lord Maximus Farqaudd

It was the right thing to do...

Says the guy whose user Id is “ugly UAL”

No matter how you voted, no one can claim that. We will all find out what the right thing to do was next Summer.

The cockpit culture at United has been incredible. I am still in awe at my first year, and how eager the captains were to involve me in decision making and treat me as an equal, not an FNG.

I think the TA was written with a lot of wisdom from past mistakes. To me the worst case is the lost income for eight months (160k to 120k for me, or furlough, depending on who you listen to). I would be incredibly surprised if anything else happens. I do not think we want to codify any mpg alterations tied to demand in our contract, but keep these as temporary TAs that the membership must ratify each time.

We will furlough next June, probably 2007 pilots at least, but a lifeline is being given for 8 months, willingly or not, and we would do well to remember to take care of the next generation of pilots who are beset by bad economic circumstances

Ageed. While I voted yes, I am not entirely happy with this situation. I felt like it was the lesser of two B.S. scenarios.

Disappointed.

So while everyone is furloughing, shrinking, and retiring widebody fleets, we vote in a deal to keep all pilots on property, take deliveries of new widebodies, and poise ourselves to gain newly abandoned markets and become the largest airline in the world. That makes us the new Mesa? If you are so short-sighted that you can't see beyond the INITIAL and TEMPORARY MPG reductions, then I dont know what to tell you.

this individual is hoping to work for a good ACMI.

This LOA will allow United a chance to come out better on the other side. Worst case, it will expire in 9 months and back to normal book and furloughs. And all for a few less hours worked for a while. It’s worth the gamble!
I’m so glad our junior pilots will have a few more months of mortgage payments to plan for the future. Best of luck to us all.

What's with all the know-it-all regional pilots here? Nice username. 11 inches? You post like someone who's more like 2 inches.

Me? or the guy who made the Mesa comment?

Frontier guy here.

What is the Cliffs Notes version of the TA? Just curious what it is

Same pay just get to work less so no to both comments on different threads.

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You are in for a very rude awakening. I figure it'll take about 9 months to set in when United furloughs 2007 pilots that your agreement left exposed. Meanwhile, the reduced hours will continue for what, another 17 months?

Can anyone share the actual scope clause update in the TA? I’ve heard only rumors.

Reduced guarantee based on block hours as a percent of 2019. No furloughs until June, at which point they can still furlough 2000 pilots and we retain the reduced guarantee (for up to two years total).

Wow. 58-42 closer than I thought. Even with the MEC voting 16-3, carve-outs and the sales job. Doesn't seem like the MEC is reflective of the pilot group. I think everyone can take away from it what they want, but there is definitely not unity.

Last name: Lee. Callsign: Ug

Not what you thought.

what is going so wrong in your personal life that you would feel gleeful at another’s pain?

i truly hope for the sake of Delta pilots that Bastian doesn’t shrink as aggressively as I think he will. Dude is all about Wall Street approval (margins), market share is an after thought

Is that last part correct? Please confirm. And what are the parameters or benchmarks to prevent this? Is it total passenger traffic numbers or revenue?

Agreed. I had the same opinion and also voted yes.

We won't know if it was the correct gamble (because that's what this was) until the end of next summer. If loads get closer to normal and world travel reopens, it was the best course of action. If not, well...

A situation where we only furlough 2007 would virtually guarantee that the top 2/3 would be at full mpg. The second we furlough 2008 or greater, or hit a bunch of other triggers, the LoA terminates and we go back to normal.

based on block hours

What does the LOA say happens if the US Gov ends up backing a big ol money truck up to the UAL HQ next week with more aid? Does this LOA go away with the free money?

B. Removal of Six Seats from 76-Seat Aircraft The Company shall convert all 76-Seat Aircraft for operation as 70-Seat Aircraft. The number of such aircraft shall continue to be limited as though they were being operated as 76-Seat Aircraft.

C. Additional Restrictions on United Express Flying 1. In addition to the restrictions found in Section 1-C-1-f-(1), if the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of United Express Flying in a calendar month is forty percent (40%) or more of such total Scheduled aircraft block hours from the same calendar month in 2019, then the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of Company Flying on single-aisle Company Aircraft must be greater than the total Scheduled aircraft block hours of United Express Flying in that calendar month. a. The measurement shall be made at the same time as the measurement described in Paragraph I.4.g below. 2. If the Company invokes Section 1-C-1-f-(2), the provisions of Paragraph I (Work Reductions) shall not be in effect for any Bid Period corresponding to a calendar month in which Section 1-C-1-f-(2) is invoked.

all positives “gains” stay put. Mpg reductions are suspended

For once, we set the bar. Let’s see if Delta does a UA+$1.

Our MPG goes back to 100% once scheduled block hours for that bid period reaches at or above 70% of block hours for that same month in 2019. Each third snaps back at a different rate, with the top 1/3 nearing 100% first faster than the middle third, and the bottom third nearing 100% last who wouldve otherwise been furloughed.
With a normal lineholder guarantee of 70hrs and the % being the % of 2019 block hours for that month:
Top Third- >70%=70:00, 70%=68:00, 65%=66:30, 60%=65:15, 55%=63:00, 50%=60:00, 45%=60:00, <=40%=60:00(current)
Middle Third->70%70:00, 70%=68:00, 65%=66:30, 60%=65:15, 55%=63:00, 50%=57:30, 45%=55:15, <=40%=52:00
Bottom Third->70%=70:00, 70%=49:00, 65%=46:56, 60%=40:00, <=55%=35:00

29 page TA. Might want to find a UA guy to send you a copy to your email.
I haven't read the executive summary, but a few have pointed out that the executive summary was biased in leaving out some details.

What are the positive gains?

I will take this a bit further than some of the previous answers...... Yes, pay cuts and reduced hours/mpg for everyone and no furloughs until next summer at the earliest. Duration of the agreement is for two years.....although there are several triggers and scenarios that might terminate it earlier.
- New scope triggers and limits, addressing concerns that Skywest was doing a lot of mainline flying.....while we weren't.
- Additional 655 people age >50 will be offered early retirement, which will pay them 50 hours of pay/benefits for next two years.
- Displacements cancelled for the majority of the displacements we've had the past six months (several thousand). Saves multiple thousands of train and re-train. Company will essentially keep people 'as is' (hourly pay protected) in their seats, to allow for a faster recovery. Saves literally thousands of CA from down bidding to FO.
- Increased limits for Long Term Disability (up from 8k/mo. to 11k).
- DH in First Class (if available at time of booking). This one has a bunch of asterisks.....

Probably a few other items I am forgetting, but wanted to provide a bit more detail for you (displacements cancelled, early retirements, additional scope protection, etc.)

Increased LTD if available at time of booking.

I'm pretty sure he meant the other guy but he didn't make it clear.

sorry the other guy.

I'd say they are reflective of the pilot group in that the reps who voted to accept the LOA believed that there was enough in it to satisfy the pilot group as a whole. If the pilot vote had been reversed to 42-58, then I'd agree with your statement. Using another example, the UPA extension LOA passed 79-21 yet the vote on the MEC was something like 13-7. That's a much closer MEC vote vs. the blowout vote by the pilots. MEC votes in this case are like the Senate. Each rep gets one vote no matter how many pilots he/she represent. Only the MEC will know the final pilot vote breakdown by each council, but I'd be willing to bet the majority of every council voted IN FAVOR of this.

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