Junior Group Discussion and Concerns
10-05-2020, 12:30 PM
#31
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 144
Seems to be a bunch of emphasis by the MEC in catering to the most junior among us.
Gee. After a 30 year ALPA career, who has paid the most in union dues.....A 3 year new hire, or someone who's been here under 4 bad contracts, and 2 good ones.
Right now, I see 18 different pilot contracts in effect.
3 for wide body CA, 3 for wide body FO
3 for medium haul CA and 3 for medium haul FO
3 for SNB CA and 3 for SNB FO
Talk about division...........So much for unity.
It's every pilot for him/her self. I wouldn't ask any more senior pilots to go out of their way and pay for any more junior stuff.
Need to now cater to senior pilots. Need a 30 year pay scale that rewards 30 years of longevity. The heck with this 12 year stuff. Gotta have something along those lines.
We just lost 300K in our B fund and aided in the funding of the junior pilots B funds.
Gee. After a 30 year ALPA career, who has paid the most in union dues.....A 3 year new hire, or someone who's been here under 4 bad contracts, and 2 good ones.
Right now, I see 18 different pilot contracts in effect.
3 for wide body CA, 3 for wide body FO
3 for medium haul CA and 3 for medium haul FO
3 for SNB CA and 3 for SNB FO
Talk about division...........So much for unity.
It's every pilot for him/her self. I wouldn't ask any more senior pilots to go out of their way and pay for any more junior stuff.
Need to now cater to senior pilots. Need a 30 year pay scale that rewards 30 years of longevity. The heck with this 12 year stuff. Gotta have something along those lines.
We just lost 300K in our B fund and aided in the funding of the junior pilots B funds.
10-05-2020, 12:34 PM
#32
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 144
Originally Posted by rvfanatic
On the topic of junior pilots’ concerns, I worry about those on probation pay. When the accepted mantra is “at least it’s better than zero pay on furlough” the wages can get pretty sad and those at the bottom are expected to suck it up. Also, any sort of dissatisfaction is seen as whining and there’s the whole thing about being on probation and keeping your mouth shut. I’m not on probation but writing this so people are aware to keep an eye out for junior based dudes based in the highest cost of living areas making $3200/mo before taxes now. It blows me away that wages have fallen this far.
How about we include some jamba juice coupons for new hires in the next LOA? Let's make sure we get the senior pilots to fund your kids college funds while we're at it.
10-07-2020, 06:40 PM
#33
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Joined APC: Mar 2015
Posts: 963
I worry about my epic beard, and needing to shave. And I worry about whether my uniform still fits, and whether my tie and hat are indeed in my suitcase. And I worry about my iPad. Do I have an iPad? I'm not sure. I'd take a COLA, but I want money too. These are the things on my mind, as a junior guy.
10-07-2020, 07:14 PM
#35
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Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 145
Originally Posted by Bat Guano
You'd be well advised to worry more about your future and your union. And don't ever forget the Marvins. They can't be trusted. Ever.
10-07-2020, 07:32 PM
#36
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Joined APC: Aug 2016
Position: Relaxed
Posts: 6,943
Originally Posted by fadec
I worry about my epic beard, and needing to shave. And I worry about whether my uniform still fits, and whether my tie and hat are indeed in my suitcase. And I worry about my iPad. Do I have an iPad? I'm not sure. I'd take a COLA, but I want money too. These are the things on my mind, as a junior guy.
10-07-2020, 07:40 PM
#37
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Joined APC: May 2009
Position: The GF of FUPM
Posts: 3,073
Originally Posted by Big5
These Marvins you speak of, how exactly do we identify them?
1. Fuel. They go out of their way to reduce fuel loads. They'll even go so far as to call dispatch from their hotel room an hour before the van time to make the arrangement. FO input? Pfffffft! We don't need no stinkin' FO input! ADD FUEL? "AYFKM?" IOW, never.
2. Busted planes. NO SUCH THING! "Why, we can just take this as is. Let's just write the sqwak up en route" (or not at all!)
3. Crew desk deals. "Sure, I'll tell the FO that I just extended his duty day (or, insert ANY other BS here you like). We'll be there!
4. Drunks before push. "Oh, he'll be fine once he passes out. We don't want to take a delay now do we?" Irrespective of that the FA's think and or want.
5. SE Taxi. Sometimes its OK and sometimes its just idiotic. Marvins cannot fathom any difference between the two. Its ALWAYS ok. Overload the FO? "whaaaaaaaaa?"
6. Boomers. "Why, that's going to cost us three minutes to go around that cell!"
7. CP phone calls the day after. Scared to death of them. AVOID AVOID AVOID those calls by just sucking up whatever slop happened to plop in your lap. Git er done!
8. Bendover LOA's and TA's. They've never seen one that they couldn't rationalize a yes vote for.
9. FAA REGS and the FOM. Well, they're flexible aren't they??? They'll risk YOUR ticket along with their own. No input from you required or welcome.
10. Trash. Oh how they love to carry the trash.
11. The MISSION. Need I say more?
12. Priority. Before the gear is in the wells on a Go-around, they're grabbing the PA and APOLOGIZING to the pax for the G/A. ****?
13. Hotel vans. "He's only 40 minutes late, let's give him a little more time"
14. Crew Meals. "I'd do this job for free! AND THEY FEED US!"
15. APU. TOO EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE!
16. No Air Conditioning at the gate in GuadalaHouston in August. See number 15 above.
17.......Add your own, this list is endless.
10-07-2020, 07:57 PM
#38
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by fadec
I worry about my epic beard, and needing to shave. And I worry about whether my uniform still fits, and whether my tie and hat are indeed in my suitcase. And I worry about my iPad. Do I have an iPad? I'm not sure. I'd take a COLA, but I want money too. These are the things on my mind, as a junior guy.
10-07-2020, 07:58 PM
#39
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Joined APC: Apr 2013
Posts: 263
Originally Posted by oldmako
They're a wiley breed and not easy to spot. But, they do have tells and if you watch carefully you'll see them. Here are a few:
1. Fuel. They go out of their way to reduce fuel loads. They'll even go so far as to call dispatch from their hotel room an hour before the van time to make the arrangement. FO input? Pfffffft! We don't need no stinkin' FO input! ADD FUEL? "AYFKM?" IOW, never.
2. Busted planes. NO SUCH THING! "Why, we can just take this as is. Let's just write the sqwak up en route" (or not at all!)
3. Crew desk deals. "Sure, I'll tell the FO that I just extended his duty day (or, insert ANY other BS here you like). We'll be there!
4. Drunks before push. "Oh, he'll be fine once he passes out. We don't want to take a delay now do we?" Irrespective of that the FA's think and or want.
5. SE Taxi. Sometimes its OK and sometimes its just idiotic. Marvins cannot fathom any difference between the two. Its ALWAYS ok. Overload the FO? "whaaaaaaaaa?"
6. Boomers. "Why, that's going to cost us three minutes to go around that cell!"
7. CP phone calls the day after. Scared to death of them. AVOID AVOID AVOID those calls by just sucking up whatever slop happened to plop in your lap. Git er done!
8. Bendover LOA's and TA's. They've never seen one that they couldn't rationalize a yes vote for.
9. FAA REGS and the FOM. Well, they're flexible aren't they??? They'll risk YOUR ticket along with their own. No input from you required or welcome.
10. Trash. Oh how they love to carry the trash.
11. The MISSION. Need I say more?
12. Priority. Before the gear is in the wells on a Go-around, they're grabbing the PA and APOLOGIZING to the pax for the G/A. ****?
13. Hotel vans. "He's only 40 minutes late, let's give him a little more time"
14. Crew Meals. "I'd do this job for free! AND THEY FEED US!"
15. APU. TOO EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE!
16. No Air Conditioning at the gate in GuadalaHouston in August. See number 15 above.
17.......Add your own, this list is endless.
1. Fuel. They go out of their way to reduce fuel loads. They'll even go so far as to call dispatch from their hotel room an hour before the van time to make the arrangement. FO input? Pfffffft! We don't need no stinkin' FO input! ADD FUEL? "AYFKM?" IOW, never.
2. Busted planes. NO SUCH THING! "Why, we can just take this as is. Let's just write the sqwak up en route" (or not at all!)
3. Crew desk deals. "Sure, I'll tell the FO that I just extended his duty day (or, insert ANY other BS here you like). We'll be there!
4. Drunks before push. "Oh, he'll be fine once he passes out. We don't want to take a delay now do we?" Irrespective of that the FA's think and or want.
5. SE Taxi. Sometimes its OK and sometimes its just idiotic. Marvins cannot fathom any difference between the two. Its ALWAYS ok. Overload the FO? "whaaaaaaaaa?"
6. Boomers. "Why, that's going to cost us three minutes to go around that cell!"
7. CP phone calls the day after. Scared to death of them. AVOID AVOID AVOID those calls by just sucking up whatever slop happened to plop in your lap. Git er done!
8. Bendover LOA's and TA's. They've never seen one that they couldn't rationalize a yes vote for.
9. FAA REGS and the FOM. Well, they're flexible aren't they??? They'll risk YOUR ticket along with their own. No input from you required or welcome.
10. Trash. Oh how they love to carry the trash.
11. The MISSION. Need I say more?
12. Priority. Before the gear is in the wells on a Go-around, they're grabbing the PA and APOLOGIZING to the pax for the G/A. ****?
13. Hotel vans. "He's only 40 minutes late, let's give him a little more time"
14. Crew Meals. "I'd do this job for free! AND THEY FEED US!"
15. APU. TOO EXPENSIVE TO OPERATE!
16. No Air Conditioning at the gate in GuadalaHouston in August. See number 15 above.
17.......Add your own, this list is endless.
18. Writes notes on business cards to hand out to EVERYONE in first class.
10-07-2020, 08:23 PM
#40
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Joined APC: Dec 2013
Posts: 501
Originally Posted by Jaded N Cynical
18. Writes notes on business cards to hand out to EVERYONE in first class.
20. Meets you for the first time by listing off his hours, aircraft flown, and complete resumé.
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