Go Back  Airline Pilot Central Forums > Airline Pilot Forums > Major > United
United testing covid test, vaccine passport >

United testing covid test, vaccine passport

Notices

United testing covid test, vaccine passport

Old 10-09-2020, 08:27 PM
  #11  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Viperstick's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Aug 2013
Posts: 280
Default

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
From everything I read, it sounds like they are pushing for 100% vaccination. Cuomo said that NY state will be a 100% vaccinated state without exceptions. Not sure how they can blanket force everyone. However this travel thing is concerning because if a certain government requires it, you just won’t be able to pass through customs.

Edit: I’m in the same boat in terms of bad reaction to vaccine, so I definitely don’t want to die or get permanently unable to work because of a vaccine for a virus that has a high survival rate for my age group.
Yeah, let me know how that works out in the Hasidic Jewish communities in NYC. The recent measles outbreaks have been traced to low vaccination rates in Hasidic communities.

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/07/unite...cination-rates
Viperstick is offline  
Old 10-09-2020, 09:24 PM
  #12  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Sep 2020
Posts: 145
Default

Originally Posted by Viperstick View Post
Yeah, let me know how that works out in the Hasidic Jewish communities in NYC. The recent measles outbreaks have been traced to low vaccination rates in Hasidic communities.

https://www.jta.org/2019/06/07/unite...cination-rates
Not to mention those giant bonfires they’ve built with their masks in NYC. I’m guessing our TEL flights are/ will be empty with the mask policy in place.
Big5 is offline  
Old 10-09-2020, 11:13 PM
  #13  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 343
Default

Originally Posted by EWRflyr View Post
Not sure this can be mandated without some exceptions made. As an example, I cannot get a flu shot ever because of a previous health issue back in high school. COVID-19 is in a family of viruses that include the flu from what I understand. That raises the question for me if I am restricted from getting the COVID-19 vaccine as well. I don't know the answer.
It's not in the same family of viruses at all, flu is influenza, covid-19 is a coronavirus, the two are nothing alike outside of the respiratory symptoms. Most of the vaccines they are working on aren't your typical vaccines either, they are using mRNA to get your cells to create their own antibodies (rather than injecting you with weakened or dead virus like most typical vaccines.). So, I wouldn't assume that you can't get it. However, if you truly can't get and UA's doctor agrees, I doubt there'd be any issue for you. Now there will be some antivaxxers that don't want to get it and make themselves a homemade certificate against government invention and that's a different story entirely...
TillerTemptress is offline  
Old 10-10-2020, 12:03 AM
  #14  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,883
Default

Originally Posted by Xtreme87 View Post
That’s what I said, but would you be willing to give up your job?
My airline said they won't force us to take a vaccine. Can airlines can force you take a vaccine? What happened to my body, my choice?
ShyGuy is offline  
Old 10-10-2020, 12:55 AM
  #15  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Apr 2017
Posts: 343
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
My airline said they won't force us to take a vaccine. Can airlines can force you take a vaccine? What happened to my body, my choice?
The problem is it can affect other's health because not everybody can get the vaccine and there's precedent for vaccines being forced for public health. Many countries require proof of immunization, schools can require it, etc. This vaccine at best is probably only going to be 70% effective, which means to actually gain herd immunity, we still need just about everybody to get it to protect those who can't take it or it's not effective within. On top of that we will have to use masks potentially for awhile still to really eradicate it - making it incidental and reducing r0 substantially when it can't jump because of all the vaccinated population will eventually make it not a thing except in developing nations.


https://journalofethics.ama-assn.org...idemic/2006-04
TillerTemptress is offline  
Old 10-10-2020, 03:24 AM
  #16  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Airhoss's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Apr 2008
Position: Sleeping in the black swan’s nest.
Posts: 5,708
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
My airline said they won't force us to take a vaccine. Can airlines can force you take a vaccine? What happened to my body, my choice?
I’ve worked at an airline that required international vaccine’s due to the areas we were flying. We carried our yellow vaccine cards with us while on duty.
Airhoss is offline  
Old 10-10-2020, 06:02 AM
  #17  
Gets Weekends Off
 
ReadOnly7's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,320
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
My airline said they won't force us to take a vaccine. Can airlines can force you take a vaccine? What happened to my body, my choice?
You can choose to not be employed there. See how that works? It’s kinda like “freedom of speech.” Plenty of people think that gives them license to say whatever they choose. Your employer is not the government.
ReadOnly7 is offline  
Old 10-13-2020, 01:09 AM
  #18  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Joined APC: Dec 2005
Posts: 8,883
Default

Originally Posted by ReadOnly7 View Post
You can choose to not be employed there. See how that works? It’s kinda like “freedom of speech.” Plenty of people think that gives them license to say whatever they choose. Your employer is not the government.
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.

Good luck to us all. I really don't think you're going to convince all 330 million in this country to inject themselves with the most rushed vaccine in the history of mankind for a virus that kills < 0.8%.
ShyGuy is offline  
Old 10-13-2020, 04:59 AM
  #19  
Gets Weekends Off
 
ReadOnly7's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Dec 2019
Posts: 1,320
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.

Good luck to us all. I really don't think you're going to convince all 330 million in this country to inject themselves with the most rushed vaccine in the history of mankind for a virus that kills < 0.8%.
I would agree with that statement. What I disagreed with was what you said about your EMPLOYER. That’s why I COMPARED it to freedom of speech. For me personally, I don’t plan to get the vaccine....and the government can’t make me. However, my employer can make it a condition to work there....and so can a lot of businesses. That will change things.
ReadOnly7 is offline  
Old 10-13-2020, 10:11 AM
  #20  
Gets Weekends Off
 
Dave Fitzgerald's Avatar
 
Joined APC: Mar 2012
Position: 777
Posts: 2,155
Default

Originally Posted by ShyGuy View Post
Freedom of speech has nothing to do with this.

Good luck to us all. I really don't think you're going to convince all 330 million in this country to inject themselves with the most rushed vaccine in the history of mankind for a virus that kills < 0.8%.
Kills? Yes, that is one bad outcome. But it's looking like, the more we learn about the virus, the more we are seeing other long term lingering health issues that seem to be caused by the virus. This is also a consideration.
Dave Fitzgerald is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
iahflyr
United
0
08-02-2018 08:58 AM
oldmako
United
25
01-19-2016 02:53 PM
flightmedic01
United
19
08-11-2014 12:16 PM
Cubdriver
Hiring News
2
06-20-2014 09:36 AM
Dan64456
Pilot Health
2
12-13-2011 09:23 PM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Your Privacy Choices