The Delta MEC and Delta Air Lines Reach An Ag
10-29-2020, 08:01 PM
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Congrats Delta. It’s a shame your MEC Chairman doesn’t get lifetime positive space first class travel for himself and his family.
Well, so much for that market share grabbing, support the company’s efforts quick rebound scheme. Guess we can rename it to the Pandemic Recovery Market Share Retention LOA.
My sincerest apologies to the 1436
Well, so much for that market share grabbing, support the company’s efforts quick rebound scheme. Guess we can rename it to the Pandemic Recovery Market Share Retention LOA.
My sincerest apologies to the 1436
10-29-2020, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Gone Flying
I believe that would be 1/1/2022
As of right now, that date only applies to furlough protection. Probably not a stretch to assume that’s when the LOA will sunset. However, if CARES 2 gets passed, this new LOA is paused and extended if I read the email correctly. That’s why I’m suggesting we need clear language explaining when the LOA will end.
10-29-2020, 08:10 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
i think the more important question is how many pilots can the company make UNA.
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
UNA pilots get 30 hrs 717 FO pay. So if this gets voted in could DL put out a bid to force 4000 pilots UNA? Now there is a cost savings. As of right now I don’t see that as being prohibited.
10-29-2020, 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by WhiskeyDelta
As of right now, that date only applies to furlough protection. Probably not a stretch to assume that’s when the LOA will sunset. However, if CARES 2 gets passed, this new LOA is paused and extended if I read the email correctly. That’s why I’m suggesting we need clear language explaining when the LOA will end.
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10-29-2020, 08:25 PM
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Ok I’m just not seeing how this is good for Delta. I’m going over it in my head and it just doesn’t make sense.
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
10-29-2020, 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Ok I’m just not seeing how this is good for Delta. I’m going over it in my head and it just doesn’t make sense.
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
EDIT they might also be able to keep the active pilots flying through the holidays, people in the bottom 500 are still flying the A220 which has a severe training bottleneck, had they furloughed 1941 we would have put 60% of those FOs on the street
10-29-2020, 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by MasterOfPuppets
Ok I’m just not seeing how this is good for Delta. I’m going over it in my head and it just doesn’t make sense.
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
the United deal keeps everyone current and a good chunk of pilots in their previous seats. We all fly, we all stay current we all attend CQ. If the company adds 7 lines of flying to IAH 320 the day before bids open the pilots are there to absorb that. That makes sense to me.
the Delta deal says we’ll give the UNA pilots 30 hours a month and we’ll let you know when we need you.....that’s a paid furlough!!!! Why would they do that? What benefit does that give DL if their pilots aren’t current?
what am I missing?
Take a breath and wait for the final language. Knowing Delta, they will want to get something for that 30 hours and my guess at this point is it’ll be a recall window of some period of time. That should coincide with a system bid since that’s the only way right now a UNA can exit that “category.”
10-29-2020, 08:42 PM
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Originally Posted by TodKindrsChikun
Congrats Delta. It’s a shame your MEC Chairman doesn’t get lifetime positive space first class travel for himself and his family.
Well, so much for that market share grabbing, support the company’s efforts quick rebound scheme. Guess we can rename it to the Pandemic Recovery Market Share Retention LOA.
My sincerest apologies to the 1436
Well, so much for that market share grabbing, support the company’s efforts quick rebound scheme. Guess we can rename it to the Pandemic Recovery Market Share Retention LOA.
My sincerest apologies to the 1436
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