GolferNJ

Let me guess. You don’t drive a Hyundai?

KSwift76

Your feelings about who you think United may hire in AVIATE are also IRRELEVANT. What's the difference In those occupations vs. airline pilot regarding pay, prestige etc.... I don't expect you to agree as I've had this conversation countless times at work (never initiated by me unless someone asks my opinion) and I know generally how a large number of airline pilots feel about me sitting next to them and or their perception of my qualifications. I've heard it when people didn't know I was in the room, I've heard it when I was in the room. If one of your colleagues (me) is trying to enlighten you a little bit about life as a minority in this country and this business, it takes very little effort to just listen and consider some of what I am saying. I certainly do the same for you and the 95% of other pilots I listen to spouting off contentious sound bites about their perception of race, mainstream media, radical left, etc.... Thanks for the candor all good night.

I used to also think pilots should be in charge of hiring pilots. As I've grown and learned (cuz let's face it, if you're not growing, you're dying) I'm glad HR types are doing the hiring (Hogan test excluded). If it were up to a guys with attitudes like yours, I would never be sitting where I am.

Good luck, lets all try to do better and have a little empathy.

Peace

DALFA

I'm also a minority so you don't have to use your minority card on me. I'm well aware of how that works.

What's the difference in pay between airline pilot and those other occupations? It doesn't matter. Equal opportunity does NOT mean equal outcome.

Airline pilots aren't paid what they do because the profession is somehow more prestigious or airlines are generous.

Airline pilots are paid what they are because 90% of airline pilots are unionized and have fought for decades at the bargaining table to improve their working conditions and pay. You can also add to that the fact that there's a very limited supply of pilots and you can't simply replace them overnight.


Btw:

Average RN salary in California = $107,000

Average Nurse Practitioner salary in California = $134,000

Average Nurse Midwife salary in California = $140,000

Average Nurse Anesthetist in California = $212,000

LabDad06

A couple of your posts are coming off as disingenuous and painting all white male pilots as racist. As you said, "lets all try to do better" because that's flat out BS. I noticed you didn't care to respond to my direct quote of you as well.

I posted this in a different thread, though the same content:
When I was deployed in Afghanistan I didn't care what my crewmembers looked like, where they were from, what color their skin was, or what they had between their legs. Do they know their job? Do they do it well? Do I trust them? Can I count on and rely on them? That's all I cared about then, and now. When some of our helicopters were getting shot up and one shot down, sex or race or anything else didn't matter, only that we worked well together as a team to get back to base safely while successfully carrying out the mission. There were minorities and women in my company that I would choose to be on my crew in a heartbeat over some of the white guys. But never once did I want a crew because of their race or sex, but rather on their ability and who they were.

That applied then and applies now. I've flown with women and minorities, including black captains and first officers. The captains, had no issues with at all. The FO was outstanding and I told him such, especially for his hour level. Not outstanding as a black pilot, but only as a pilot. Nobody wants to keep women and minorities out of flying. What they want to keep out is BS racist and sexist hiring practices in the name of diversity while potentially sacrificing safety by hiring less experienced pilots due to what is on their skin or between their legs.

I read a post from a Southwest pilot who summed it up well. He didn't care who he flew with because he knew all the pilots had 1000 TPIC, he knew they all had the hours and experience, and he knew they earned the privilege of being there at Southwest. I knew the same from the military because we all went through the same training, same courses, same everything. If you aren't up to it in the military, you won't fly.

Why is it hard to for you to see the other side of the argument, as I laid out in my last post (posted below), and others without playing on emotion? Instead you respond with racist accusations of white pilots toward other posters.

If I understand the overall frustration and objection to this... I don't think anyone would have a problem if airlines or the entire aviation industry set out to encourage and educate women and minorities to get into aviation and become pilots. I doubt anyone would have an issue if they gave grants and scholarships to women and minorities to back up that genuine interest in making it a more diverse industry. Where I believe the perceived problem is, is with public companies saying they will discriminate against hiring white males and instead hire females and minorities in their place, with a pre set quota, while realistically knowing they will hire less experienced pilots in the name of diversity and potentially sacrificing safety. That's my take on many of the responses here, but I may be wrong. YMMV.

ItnStln

I stopped responding to him because his posts are racist. Also I too quoted him and he ignored me. Apparently he's here just to stir **** up.

GPLD

This is a must watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGroUS5OcYE

It articulates many of our feelings. I've heard from many outside the industry today that they are seriously questioning their loyalty to United with hiring standards based on how someone looks, not the quality of the candidate.

It's shocking.

BusBoy88

Dude......or dudette. You have no idea how a large number of pilots sitting next to you feel. You’re making assumptions. Just like you’re making assumptions about what kind of movies and music different minority groups listen to. Newsflash......your gender, color of your skin, or sexual orientation aren’t the only things that make a person “diverse”.

I don’t see anyone in this thread saying minorities are less qualified than white males. The legitimate concern is that policies like these ultimately lead to people with more/better qualifications being passed over for jobs so that UAL can check a box or look more diverse on a poster. I suppose you think it’s a good policy how Harvard was ranking Asian Americans lower on their personality traits when scoring their admission standards so that they could make their student body a little more “diverse” and not have such a large percentage of Asian enrollment too right?

CLazarus

Who? The guy from “There’s Something About Mary”? Lordy that’s upsetting.

Desdi

Nice first post!

XJ86

Good old racism in reverse... thats all affirmative action is and thats all this is. It's ok to hire based on skin color as long as your discriminating on white straight males.

Let's remember one of the more serious situations in which a 767 pounded the ground because an airline hired based on quotas not skills. The individual had numerous training failures but they didn't have the back bone to fire him for incompetence because they were afraid some race baiting scum would create a pr issue

Instead a plane pounded the ground.. thank God it was boxes and didn't hit a neighborhood

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.miamiherald.com/news/business/tourism-cruises/article238587338.html

Hire on quals not quotaa

Oh and Let's not forget the jumpseater had a class date with UAL..