United diversity.......
04-07-2021, 07:13 PM
#181
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Originally Posted by TrumpLostLOL
Tucker is a troll! All he does is encourage uneducated racists. There are many benefits to having a diverse workforce, by implying hiring women and people of color equates to hiring less qualified people is complete BS. United can hire women and people of color while still hiring the best pilots out there. Everyone gets the same piece of plastic from the FAA, so competency is not sacrificed to hire minorities. If a company wants to reap the benefits of having a diverse workforce, guess what? That's capitalism, and it's their decision to make. If that bothers you, go find a job with a company that has values similar to yours (which are most likely crappy ones).
04-07-2021, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by XJ86
What it equates to is being racist. And your support of this shows your ok with being racist as long as its against white males
04-07-2021, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by TrumpLostLOL
Tucker is a troll! All he does is encourage uneducated racists. There are many benefits to having a diverse workforce, by implying hiring women and people of color equates to hiring less qualified people is complete BS. United can hire women and people of color while still hiring the best pilots out there. Everyone gets the same piece of plastic from the FAA, so competency is not sacrificed to hire minorities. If a company wants to reap the benefits of having a diverse workforce, guess what? That's capitalism, and it's their decision to make. If that bothers you, go find a job with a company that has values similar to yours (which are most likely crappy ones).
04-07-2021, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by AAL763
No serious person will ever take someone like you seriously. Ironic you’re carrying on about trolls with a screen name such as that and that absolutely amazing first post of yours... You obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about either. Comparing the piece of plastic to competency? Are you kidding? Go sniff some more glue.
04-07-2021, 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Desdi
Nice for his second post eh? And to think he’s calling anyone a troll 🤣
04-07-2021, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by AAL763
No serious person will ever take someone like you seriously. Ironic you’re carrying on about trolls with a screen name such as that and that absolutely amazing first post of yours... You obviously don’t know what the hell you’re talking about either. Comparing the piece of plastic to competency? Are you kidding? Go sniff some more glue.
04-07-2021, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by ItnStln
I stopped responding to him because his posts are racist. Also I too quoted him and he ignored me. Apparently he's here just to stir **** up.
It has to change. Thankfully UAL is taking positive steps to invest in people that have the ability to get qualified to operate our jets. White, Black, Brown, Gay, Straight, etc.... If you're qualified, you get a chance. I just don't want the same people who have traditionally held the keys to the gates with attitudes like several on here making those decisions. Again 50% minorities and women 50% (I assume white males) into the Academy with a chance to get into the pipeline. Hardly excluding anyone.
04-07-2021, 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by KSwift76
Not at all. Here to tell the other side of the coin. I rarely post, but read a lot. If you search my post history, you will find several posts on other threads basically stating the same things I'm saying here. Giving other people an opportunity is not racist. Advocating for everyone to have a chance is not racist. Not once did I say white males should not have an opportunity or be excluded. In fact, 50% of the applicants will he white males. Also I did not say people should be accepted or hired if they are unqualified. My family rides on the back of our jets. I sure want a good, competent knowledgeable FO to help and give input based on their experience when things go wrong. I just believe that other people can also do this job and perhaps lack of opportunity or exposure or financing or maybe reading this thread makes them not want too. I don't proclaim to know what my colleagues are thinking at work. I know what has been said to me directly and indirectly. I know what I've heard when they know I'm on the room and when they don't know I'm in the room. I do not know everyone's intent. I do know what I hear from a large number of my fellow pilots.
It has to change. Thankfully UAL is taking positive steps to invest in people that have the ability to get qualified to operate our jets. White, Black, Brown, Gay, Straight, etc.... If you're qualified, you get a chance. I just don't want the same people who have traditionally held the keys to the gates with attitudes like several on here making those decisions. Again 50% minorities and women 50% (I assume white males) into the Academy with a chance to get into the pipeline. Hardly excluding anyone.
It has to change. Thankfully UAL is taking positive steps to invest in people that have the ability to get qualified to operate our jets. White, Black, Brown, Gay, Straight, etc.... If you're qualified, you get a chance. I just don't want the same people who have traditionally held the keys to the gates with attitudes like several on here making those decisions. Again 50% minorities and women 50% (I assume white males) into the Academy with a chance to get into the pipeline. Hardly excluding anyone.
Does being a female make you a better or safer pilot?
Does being a minority make you a better or safer pilot?
This entire notion that diversity is better and that we're gonna impose quotas to have more diversity is absolutely insane.
04-07-2021, 07:50 PM
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I’m still in a corner sobbing that we lost Tucker. I mean if such a clear voice that benefits from every Swanson chicken pot pie sold says no more to United, how can we ever recover!?!
Please tell me Hannity didn’t mention United in his opening monologue!?!
Please tell me Hannity didn’t mention United in his opening monologue!?!
04-07-2021, 07:54 PM
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Originally Posted by LabDad06
A couple of your posts are coming off as disingenuous and painting all white male pilots as racist. As you said, "lets all try to do better" because that's flat out BS. I noticed you didn't care to respond to my direct quote of you as well.
I posted this in a different thread, though the same content:
When I was deployed in Afghanistan I didn't care what my crewmembers looked like, where they were from, what color their skin was, or what they had between their legs. Do they know their job? Do they do it well? Do I trust them? Can I count on and rely on them? That's all I cared about then, and now. When some of our helicopters were getting shot up and one shot down, sex or race or anything else didn't matter, only that we worked well together as a team to get back to base safely while successfully carrying out the mission. There were minorities and women in my company that I would choose to be on my crew in a heartbeat over some of the white guys. But never once did I want a crew because of their race or sex, but rather on their ability and who they were.
That applied then and applies now. I've flown with women and minorities, including black captains and first officers. The captains, had no issues with at all. The FO was outstanding and I told him such, especially for his hour level. Not outstanding as a black pilot, but only as a pilot. Nobody wants to keep women and minorities out of flying. What they want to keep out is BS racist and sexist hiring practices in the name of diversity while potentially sacrificing safety by hiring less experienced pilots due to what is on their skin or between their legs.
I read a post from a Southwest pilot who summed it up well. He didn't care who he flew with because he knew all the pilots had 1000 TPIC, he knew they all had the hours and experience, and he knew they earned the privilege of being there at Southwest. I knew the same from the military because we all went through the same training, same courses, same everything. If you aren't up to it in the military, you won't fly.
Why is it hard to for you to see the other side of the argument, as I laid out in my last post (posted below), and others without playing on emotion? Instead you respond with racist accusations of white pilots toward other posters.
If I understand the overall frustration and objection to this... I don't think anyone would have a problem if airlines or the entire aviation industry set out to encourage and educate women and minorities to get into aviation and become pilots. I doubt anyone would have an issue if they gave grants and scholarships to women and minorities to back up that genuine interest in making it a more diverse industry. Where I believe the perceived problem is, is with public companies saying they will discriminate against hiring white males and instead hire females and minorities in their place, with a pre set quota, while realistically knowing they will hire less experienced pilots in the name of diversity and potentially sacrificing safety. That's my take on many of the responses here, but I may be wrong. YMMV.
I posted this in a different thread, though the same content:
When I was deployed in Afghanistan I didn't care what my crewmembers looked like, where they were from, what color their skin was, or what they had between their legs. Do they know their job? Do they do it well? Do I trust them? Can I count on and rely on them? That's all I cared about then, and now. When some of our helicopters were getting shot up and one shot down, sex or race or anything else didn't matter, only that we worked well together as a team to get back to base safely while successfully carrying out the mission. There were minorities and women in my company that I would choose to be on my crew in a heartbeat over some of the white guys. But never once did I want a crew because of their race or sex, but rather on their ability and who they were.
That applied then and applies now. I've flown with women and minorities, including black captains and first officers. The captains, had no issues with at all. The FO was outstanding and I told him such, especially for his hour level. Not outstanding as a black pilot, but only as a pilot. Nobody wants to keep women and minorities out of flying. What they want to keep out is BS racist and sexist hiring practices in the name of diversity while potentially sacrificing safety by hiring less experienced pilots due to what is on their skin or between their legs.
I read a post from a Southwest pilot who summed it up well. He didn't care who he flew with because he knew all the pilots had 1000 TPIC, he knew they all had the hours and experience, and he knew they earned the privilege of being there at Southwest. I knew the same from the military because we all went through the same training, same courses, same everything. If you aren't up to it in the military, you won't fly.
Why is it hard to for you to see the other side of the argument, as I laid out in my last post (posted below), and others without playing on emotion? Instead you respond with racist accusations of white pilots toward other posters.
If I understand the overall frustration and objection to this... I don't think anyone would have a problem if airlines or the entire aviation industry set out to encourage and educate women and minorities to get into aviation and become pilots. I doubt anyone would have an issue if they gave grants and scholarships to women and minorities to back up that genuine interest in making it a more diverse industry. Where I believe the perceived problem is, is with public companies saying they will discriminate against hiring white males and instead hire females and minorities in their place, with a pre set quota, while realistically knowing they will hire less experienced pilots in the name of diversity and potentially sacrificing safety. That's my take on many of the responses here, but I may be wrong. YMMV.
I understand your frustration. I hear you when you say you feel like you are being discriminated against. I just can't figure out how. You, (I assume you are a white male) are still getting 50% of the opportunity. Everyone else has to split 50% of the opportunity. These are not jobs until you pass the aviate interview. I imagine the off the street hiring will still be whatever it is now (I imagine 85% based on nothing more than my informal assumptions based on the people I see in the crew room, training center, and in the right seat). How is 50 % of the new thing, plus 85% 9f the old thing unfair to you assuming everyone has equal qualifications? It doesn't add up to me.
I'm always interested in dialogue and would love for it to be explained to me in a way that is logical and makes sense. As I said I'm willing to learn and grow. If you're not growing, you're dieing. I know I've been doing this for a while and I've heard every story you can imagine about "if I were a woman or minority, I would have been at mainline years ago with just 1500 hours.". It took me a hell of a lot more than that. I don't hear nearly the amount about interns or senior check airmen getting their offspring hired well below competitive minimums. Why do you suppose that is? Anyway, I don't suppose we are going to change each other's minds in this thread. We have to listen to each other though and empathize with each other. We are all in this country and on this planet together. We all bleed red, laugh, cry, hurt, etc.... You know what I'm saying.
Good luck if you work here, beers on me once I'm fully vaccinated. Until then stay safe and let's all try to do better.
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