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Old 05-11-2021, 08:15 AM
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I got this letter today about a class action lawsuit on behalf of pilots and flight attendants based in California between 2015 to present. This sounds like something that should be coming from ALPA legal and not an external law firm. I thought we were not supposed to litigate against United without using the grievance process for these types of issues. Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by texaspropguy View Post
I got this letter today about a class action lawsuit on behalf of pilots and flight attendants based in California between 2015 to present. This sounds like something that should be coming from ALPA legal and not an external law firm. I thought we were not supposed to litigate against United without using the grievance process for these types of issues. Thoughts?
I filled mine…..My guess is some FA or Pilot thinks they are a hot shot lawyer. I’m not wasting any brain cells on it.
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Old 05-11-2021, 10:56 AM
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Don’t see it winning. I believe it will be ruled preemption of Ca state law since we are governed by the RLA and paid per the UPA provisions. My 2 cents.
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Old 05-11-2021, 11:12 AM
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Don’t see it winning. I believe it will be ruled preemption of Ca state law since we are governed by the RLA and paid per the UPA provisions. My 2 cents.
That’s pretty much what I was thinking.
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Old 05-11-2021, 12:33 PM
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If Ward v United Airlines is this case, then it's already settled law by the California Supreme Court last year.
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Old 05-11-2021, 01:35 PM
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If Ward v United Airlines is this case, then it's already settled law by the California Supreme Court last year.
Looks like a new one from what I'm reading on the other forum. This was about not being able to read CCS sufficiently to write a paycheck. I think the company has already complied. The new one looks like it's about flight time wages subtracting away from wages earned while on call.

I like this Ward guy. Complying with regs is expensive and I don't like to be the only guy obeying law. Hold'em too it! If I ever get a payout I'll put the proceeds towards a building permit for my shed. Pay it forward.
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This would sure shake up the seniority of the CA bases if all of a sudden reserves were making guarantee plus LPV.
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I flew with Capt Ward multiple times before he retired. Sharp guy and a good union volunteer. I have no idea if the suit has any chance, but he deserves the benefit of the doubt from his former fellow pilots.
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if the state of California would benefit, then the suit may likely move forward...Think about it. Increased earnings means increased taxes. If the state believes that the state was denied revenue by some sort of "scheme" by an employer, than the state may also join the suit. It could get rather complicated....
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Originally Posted by Oletimer View Post
if the state of California would benefit, then the suit may likely move forward...Think about it. Increased earnings means increased taxes. If the state believes that the state was denied revenue by some sort of "scheme" by an employer, than the state may also join the suit. It could get rather complicated....

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