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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR;[url=tel:3270202
3270202[/url]]^What an Ass! As another United pilot dies of covid!! You should care! Get the Vax!
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Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
(Post 3270254)
Your job is a direct reflection of the vaccination rate it is not reflection of who smokes and drinks. We don’t lockdown for drinking problems. This is gonna go on for a long time until people start waking up.
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
(Post 3270264)
can any Ual guys verify this?
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Originally Posted by Galaxy5
(Post 3270277)
Yes
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Originally Posted by Grumpyaviator
(Post 3270244)
your fears are unfounded since the scenario you’re projecting is unlikely. the delta variant is up in the air and appears to spread through the vaccinated. but even though it spreads quickly, it’s statistically far less dangerous, which is what faucci and CDC said would happen early on. so your gaslighting in order to manipulate is really pointless.
https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-02054-z those who’ve had Covid are better off than those who were vaccinated. these studies are from UM school of medicine and Cleveland Clinic. Johns-Hopkins, Un of Louisville, MIT, Sanford, Washington Un and others have also done studies corroborating these findings. however you’re likely to continue to get your facts from Anderson and Rachel, since this really isn’t about health and safety. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.new...nic-study.aspx https://medicine.missouri.edu/news/s...severe-illness Calling the delta variant far less dangerous when it has an R value optimistically around 5, is still mutating, and huge countries don't yet have widespread vaccine coverage... it discredits your whole post. We have the vaccine, data, and research to disprove most conspiracy claims and yet we arguing semantics with tin foil hatters. The sound bytes from Breitbart, OAN, fox are discredited with a simple two second search. This is going to continue to affect lives, children's education and their social development, and people will continue to get sick when we have the resources to stop this thing. Why are we coddling people that refuse a vaccine on pure hysterics from political extremists? I am absolutely baffled. |
Originally Posted by Aquaticus
(Post 3270296)
Those are %'s of verified covid patients and not Bubba who had the "China virus" slamming beer cans on his boat. The argument "that I already had covid" is largely expecting us to trust their self diagnoses. It only seems to be coming from the extremist political type trying to make an anti-science argument. How did this hypothetical person verify that they had covid? Did they get the antibody test or are we basing this on a few sniffles? The testing for covid had a lot of false positives early on so how much weight are we throwing behind Bubba and his self diagnosed "China virus" to get the libs? I have flown with one of these "had it" types and he subsequently quarantined the whole crew after he got the real one.
Calling the delta variant far less dangerous when it has an R value optimistically around 5, is still mutating, and huge countries don't yet have widespread vaccine coverage... it discredits your whole post. We have the vaccine, data, and research to disprove most conspiracy claims and yet we arguing semantics with tin foil hatters. The sound bytes from Breitbart, OAN, fox are discredited with a simple two second search. This is going to continue to affect lives, children's education and their social development, and people will continue to get sick when we have the resources to stop this thing. Why are we coddling people that refuse a vaccine on pure hysterics from political extremists? I am absolutely baffled. |
Originally Posted by Aquaticus;[url=tel:3270296
3270296[/url]]Those are %'s of verified covid patients and not Bubba who had the "China virus" slamming beer cans on his boat. The argument "that I already had covid" is largely expecting us to trust their self diagnoses. It only seems to be coming from the extremist political type trying to make an anti-science argument. How did this hypothetical person verify that they had covid? Did they get the antibody test or are we basing this on a few sniffles? The testing for covid had a lot of false positives early on so how much weight are we throwing behind Bubba and his self diagnosed "China virus" to get the libs? I have flown with one of these "had it" types and he subsequently quarantined the whole crew after he got the real one.
Calling the delta variant far less dangerous when it has an R value optimistically around 5, is still mutating, and huge countries don't yet have widespread vaccine coverage... it discredits your whole post. We have the vaccine, data, and research to disprove most conspiracy claims and yet we arguing semantics with tin foil hatters. The sound bytes from Breitbart, OAN, fox are discredited with a simple two second search. This is going to continue to affect lives, children's education and their social development, and people will continue to get sick when we have the resources to stop this thing. Why are we coddling people that refuse a vaccine on pure hysterics from political extremists? I am absolutely baffled. Almost all in our family had Covid. We tested positive, then negative and now test positive for the antibodies. I’m currently testing positive for antibodies through the Red Cross eight months later. I also know for a fact I’ve been exposed since and have not gotten re-infected. The data I’ve posted in the past also points out that while there is a rise in the delta variant in vaccinated people, that has not happened in previously infected people. Efficacy from infection is 99.35%, higher than any vax, and historically, previous infections are effective against variants up to 80% different than the original infection. Research my post history for those links. So instead of doing what you’re accusing me of, read the studies to get your info and lay off the CNN. |
Originally Posted by Hedley;[url=tel:3270302
3270302]Why not let those who chose not to get vaccinated deal with the consequences of their decision? If they get COVID and don’t have the antibodies from either a previous exposure or the vaccine, then that’s their problem. It’s still a virus with a very low mortality rate, yet we act like it is certain death. It affects our lives because we let it. More mask mandates and restrictions will give the illusion of doing something, but it won’t change much. If the unvaccinated want to roll the dice, I say let them.
The label of “unvaccinated” assumes there’s no protection. Many of the unvaccinated I know, including myself and my family, have tested positive for both the virus and antibodies, and based on the information from our doctors, research from universities and studies of hospitals, we feel there is no added benefit to our health or those around us by getting the vax. There’s no rolling the dice, if you’ve been infected in the past you’re protected. If I hadn’t been infected at some point I’d reconsider my position, but there’s no need for me to now, other than to appease pro-vaxxers, or to comply so we can get rid of the masks and get back to normal. I have no plans to get an unneeded shot for the purpose of earning back liberties that should’ve never been taken. |
Originally Posted by ERAUAV8TR
(Post 3270254)
Your job is a direct reflection of the vaccination rate it is not reflection of who smokes and drinks. We don’t lockdown for drinking problems. This is gonna go on for a long time until people start waking up.
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