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Old 07-20-2021, 09:31 AM
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Surprised no DEN vacancies. Will these be covered in a secondary?
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Old 07-20-2021, 09:39 AM
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Question- If a category isn’t advertised with any vacancies, if pilots in that category go to a new fleet or base, then in actuality there is a vacancy created by the outward movement and will be back filled for someone wanting in… correct? So there is still a chance of getting into base without advertised vacancy right?


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Old 07-20-2021, 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Brillo View Post
How many bids a year do you usually get? Is this a year’s worth of movement?
In the good times we will get one every 4-6 weeks. I suspect that this bid will count for two, as it will create a huge training backlog that will take a few months to fulfill. The next several bids will be prob be smaller "clean up" bids to fill any late breaking winter/spring 2022 needs and fill any training capacity that they have that remains unused.

The difference between the Min and Max on the this bid for almost every fleet/seat/domicile is zero, so that means the company is obligated to "backfill" any additional vacancies created by pilots moving to a different seat. That means at the bottom of the seniority list, we will have massive movement and huge numbers of unfilled positions. Those unfilled positions can be given to new hires over the course of the three months after the bid closes, so basically for Aug Sep and Oct classes.

Sometime before Oct they will at least have to have another bid to create more unfilled positions to give to the new hire classes later in the Fall and into the 'Winter. So, at the latest it will be 12ish weeks till the next vacancy, but I would expect at least a small one before then.
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Old 07-20-2021, 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Carter1 View Post
Question- If a category isn’t advertised with any vacancies, if pilots in that category go to a new fleet or base, then in actuality there is a vacancy created by the outward movement and will be back filled for someone wanting in… correct? So there is still a chance of getting into base without advertised vacancy right?


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Yes, in some cases. You have to look at the Min/max to figure it out, though. They’ll only backfill to the min number, so if they’re not wanting backfills, they’ll typically set the min lower. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but the min in a seat is what the real marker is.

Edit: GoCats beat me to it and said it better. I hadn’t looked at it that closely yet since there’s really only one thing I’m after, but with the spread set to zero in most places, the cascade from this one is gonna be wild.
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Old 07-20-2021, 09:55 AM
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That’s what I thought, thanks for the answer! Fortunately my desired cat has a min set that’s the same as the current number of pilots so hopefully a bunch of dudes senior to me want to bid wide body lol. Thanks again
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Yes, in some cases. You have to look at the Min/max to figure it out, though. They’ll only backfill to the min number, so if they’re not wanting backfills, they’ll typically set the min lower. Someone can correct me if I’m wrong, but the min in a seat is what the real marker is.

Edit: GoCats beat me to it and said it better. I hadn’t looked at it that closely yet since there’s really only one thing I’m after, but with the spread set to zero in most places, the cascade from this one is gonna be wild.
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Old 07-20-2021, 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS View Post
...I will if I’m showing in the 60 percentile near the end of the bid.
Until China flying returns the g-line will be well above 60%. Ok maybe 50% with some Euro flying added. At least in EWR. Not sure about SFO.
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Old 07-20-2021, 11:52 AM
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Until China flying returns the g-line will be well above 60%. Ok maybe 50% with some Euro flying added. At least in EWR. Not sure about SFO.
Agreed. And even then I’m not sure id make the move. 756 has a lot of good things going for it right now. Maybe next bid!
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Old 07-20-2021, 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by JimLaheyTPS View Post
Agreed. And even then I’m not sure id make the move. 756 has a lot of good things going for it right now. Maybe next bid!
My guess is that by the time the majority of these are trained, two things will have happened.
1. The P&W 777's will be close to or back in the air,
2. The Chinese will reopen to foreign airlines without all those oppressive requirements.
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Old 07-20-2021, 11:08 PM
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Originally Posted by hamsandwich View Post
Surprised no DEN vacancies. Will these be covered in a secondary?
There is a high probability of backfills with that many WB Capt bids. Bid what you want and want what you bid!!!!!
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Old 07-21-2021, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by C17man View Post
Whoaaaa. Susan was right when she said 777 out of Indoc…
It could happen.

... on the snapshots.

For those new to watching vacancy bids, I'll caution you to not be sucked into believing that snapshots are anything close to the final award. This one's going to be especially volatile because it's so large a vacancy.

Be very careful about bidding 100% in any category because you could find yourself on reserve for years. And if anyone does happen to get 777 during probation year (I don't see that happening anytime soon) can expect to be on reserve for years even at the current hiring pace.
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