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Remembrance
This year it’s not too soon to remember. 9/11
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Originally Posted by Poss
(Post 3292231)
This year it’s not too soon to remember. 9/11
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Originally Posted by BobbyLeeSwagger
(Post 3292257)
Crazy its been 20 years. One of those few days everyone remembers where they were. I was in high school and woke up to my dad telling me to come see what was happening and saw the plane hit the second tower on live TV etc... Just incredibly sad and scary to see. Crazier to hear the various stories from those who were in the industry when it happened.
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I was working line service in MHT. Went to fuel the 9am NWA Airbus flight, and they said to hold off, they may not be departing. Saw what was transpiring on the TV in ops, and went back to the FBO. Got there not long after the second airplane hit, and after the second tower collapse they sent us all home. Didn't go back to the airport for at least 3 or 4 days. I was going to night school at the time, and they didn't cancel classes for some reason. I remember sitting down in class, and wondering WTF we were all doing there. I got up and left. When I got in my car Opie and Anthony were just finishing up their show, and they played "Don't Tread On Me" by Metallica. That song will forever be associated with 9/11 in my mind.
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Was at a regional flying that morning. ATC basically declared the emergency and we diverted along with several company planes. At the time we couldn’t think of what would cause it until we walked into the rampers break room where the TV was on. We saw the second hit and everyone knew it meant war.
Was stuck for four days before we ferried back to DFW. Had a regional jumpseater in shorts and flip flops on his way back home to be furloughed. Who knew the Lost Decade would create so much change in American aviation? I still haven’t been able to bring myself to Ground Zero. |
Originally Posted by at6d
(Post 3292622)
I still haven’t been able to bring myself to Ground Zero.
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Originally Posted by JoePatroni
(Post 3292734)
It's tough but it's worth it....they did a great job on the memorial/museum.
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I was in the air that morning on the way to Vegas a morning and day I will never forget. I had Deb on one of my flights a few weeks earlier. A wild and tense ride back into Chicago that morning.
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I was a 777 PI at the time. On the night of the 10th I’d flown up to ANC to meet up with some friends to go caribou hunting. I woke up in time to see the second tower get hit the next morning. The following 7 days were an odyssey trying to get home.
I’d had breakfast with Jason Dahl within the previous week at TK. |
I was a 57/67 F/O at the time. Lucky enough to be home that morning. Saw it unfold with my wife on TV. Still have my little red logbook with those tail numbers in it.
When I remind the f/a’s to follow protocol during lav breaks, occasionally one will react as if it’s a burden. Once they truly understand the history, the attitude vanishes...This is most certainly our generation’s Pear Harbor. Never forget. |
Originally Posted by Guppydriver95
(Post 3294025)
I was a 57/67 F/O at the time. Lucky enough to be home that morning. Saw it unfold with my wife on TV. Still have my little red logbook with those tail numbers in it.
When I remind the f/a’s to follow protocol during lav breaks, occasionally one will react as if it’s a burden. Once they truly understand the history, the attitude vanishes...This is most certainly our generation’s Pear Harbor. Never forget. Was talking to high school kids at a fast food place last Dec 7. I said, “today is Pearl Harbor Day”. Not a one of them had ever heard of Pearl Harbor. They vaguely had heard of World War II, but they could not tell me what century it was in or who fought in it. They knew Adolf Hitler was a Nazi, just like every Republican who has ever lived. But they did not know about the Concentration Camps. When I told them, half were horrified. The other half said I was lying. I don’t fault them as much as I fault the school system. |
About that, I saw a news story a couple years ago about Hiroshima. The camera crew was interviewing teens at a local mall with the question, “what important event happened here in August of 1945?”
Most knew zero. The history has been largely ignored, and the survivors that had radiation issues were shunned by society. Strange times we live in. |
I always find it interesting that it's "Never Forget" about most tragedies in the world, especially the USA.
But bring up the fact that my grandmother's father-in-law was born a slave in this country, was almost killed numerous times following train tracks as he ran away north to New York city, and it's "get over it, move on already, that was ages ago, no one alive now took part in that!" History is important, even when our country was on the wrong side of it. Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 3298413)
I always find it interesting that it's "Never Forget" about most tragedies in the world, especially the USA.
But bring up the fact that my grandmother's father-in-law was born a slave in this country, was almost killed numerous times following train tracks as he ran away north to New York city, and it's "get over it, move on already, that was ages ago, no one alive now took part in that!" History is important, even when our country was on the wrong side of it. Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 3298413)
I always find it interesting that it's "Never Forget" about most tragedies in the world, especially the USA.
But bring up the fact that my grandmother's father-in-law was born a slave in this country, was almost killed numerous times following train tracks as he ran away north to New York city, and it's "get over it, move on already, that was ages ago, no one alive now took part in that!" History is important, even when our country was on the wrong side of it. Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 3298413)
I always find it interesting that it's "Never Forget" about most tragedies in the world, especially the USA.
But bring up the fact that my grandmother's father-in-law was born a slave in this country, was almost killed numerous times following train tracks as he ran away north to New York city, and it's "get over it, move on already, that was ages ago, no one alive now took part in that!" History is important, even when our country was on the wrong side of it. Sent from my SM-N975F using Tapatalk |
Originally Posted by CousinEddie
(Post 3298565)
Teach our children that this country is a deeply flawed, terrible and shameful nation. And go from there. Is that what we should be doing?
Originally Posted by ThumbsUp
(Post 3298578)
Not to diminish what you said, but your generational gaps must be huge. I'm not a young guy and my great-grandparents were born in the 20th century.
Originally Posted by Airhoss
(Post 3298588)
Are you referring to monetary reparations? Because I don’t meet people who just blow off the history of slavery.
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Originally Posted by detpilot
(Post 3298601)
Perhaps you should read what I said. Should the Germans ignore the whole "Nazi" part of their history, or acknowledge and grow from it? Do you feel that we can learn and grow from ignoring our history?
You are correct, I missed a generation. My mistake. My grandmother was born in 1926. Thankfully, she is still with us and in her right mind. She talks of conversations with her father-in-law's father - so it would be my Great- great grandfather. It is still crazy to think that in 2021, my 5 year old daughter can hear a literal second hand account from that time. I am not referring to monetary reparations at all. Just, attitudes. For example- the sigh and eye roll given by a co-worker once, in a bar, when a commercial came on regarding the movie "Roots." I asked if he didn't like the movie, and was shocked at the response I got. The mentality actually reminds me of CousinEddie's comment, up there. |
Originally Posted by TransWorld
(Post 3294096)
They knew Adolf Hitler was a Nazi, just like every Republican who has ever lived. But they did not know about the Concentration Camps. When I told them, half were horrified. The other half said I was lying. I don’t fault them as much as I fault the school system.
I can also confirm they get fed as much right wing BS as left wing nonsense in school, from their peers, and on social media; as we all did at their age. (Minus the social media for most of us, of course.) The thoughtful ones learn to develop their own opinions, those less so choose a figurehead (e.g., parent/teacher/public figure) & adopt many of their thoughts directly from them. This practice will often continue into adulthood. It’s always been this way. My generation & yours (whatever it may be) are not as different from those ignorant kids you spoke to as you might like to believe. |
2 pages til thread got derailed. Not bad ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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