Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3448162)

Congrats on having the most cited post! You belong in academia. WRT the potentially massive recession you have a point. Let's not forget that there is also a potentially massive world war looming with China and yet another pandemic right around the corner. And recently the SCOTUS just potentially gave everyone a gun and potentially banned abortion in all states too, and in Pride month no less. The potential for civil unrest is high. The potential for balkanization is larger than it's ever been. Already the pilots in Florida have aligned themselves with Ron DeSantis on Facebook to enter your bedroom and abuse your kids and control every aspect of your life. Why on why would any vote this down in light of these potentials? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Don't cut your nose to spite your face. I've seen princes walk and slaves ride horses. Remember that when you're choosing your hill to die on.

Originally Posted by fadec (Post 3448162)

Congrats on having the most cited post! You belong in academia. WRT the potentially massive recession you have a point. Let's not forget that there is also a potentially massive world war looming with China and yet another pandemic right around the corner. And recently the SCOTUS just potentially gave everyone a gun and potentially banned abortion in all states too, and in Pride month no less. The potential for civil unrest is high. The potential for balkanization is larger than it's ever been. Already the pilots in Florida have aligned themselves with Ron DeSantis on Facebook to enter your bedroom and abuse your kids and control every aspect of your life. Why on why would any vote this down in light of these potentials? A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush. Don't cut your nose to spite your face. I've seen princes walk and slaves ride horses. Remember that when you're choosing your hill to die on.

Originally Posted by WHACKMASTER (Post 3447574)

Thank goodness you’re not on my NC.

Originally Posted by awax (Post 3447497)

I’d prefer this thread not get personal and withholding names is Ok, but does anyone know background, experience, legacy airline, previous committee work, etc of the UAL Negotiating Committee?

With advocates like these….

Originally Posted by awax (Post 3448113)

An LEC officer or MEC? Which seat?

Originally Posted by awax (Post 3448113)

An LEC officer or MEC? Which seat?

Originally Posted by Mytime2025 (Post 3448195)

ALPA has ZERO problem being all for a mandetory retirement but ZERO interest in negotiating a mandetory retirement plan.

HYPOCRISY AT ITS FINEST

Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot (Post 3447524)

Are you insinuating that better negotiators would have been able to overcome the current financial situation of the company, high fuel prices, war in Europe and a potentially massive recession and got the company to just give us more stuff? And if we are able to get more in the future, how much more and how long and does it make up for what we would give up by voting this down?

I’m just trying to understand the logic behind no and how that helps us. I am as upset as you are because I had higher expectations, but I am also pragmatic and trying to make a financial decision and not an emotional one.

Originally Posted by CALPilotToo (Post 3448207)

NC Chairman Brown was previously management at ExpressJet. Better part of his career here has been FTFPL. Not an attack, just fact.