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Old 06-28-2022, 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by A320fumes View Post
Wait a minute guys. United Airlines is still a great place to work. Sans the current quagmire we find ourselves in, we currently have the best CBA in the industry; I need to repeat that. TODAY, United is unequivocally the best place for a major airline pilot to work; we just have to make sure it stays that way. I remain in contact with Pilots at the other majors and we still have a lot to be proud of here at United . Don’t submit to defeatism. Our Union gets it right 99% of the time. Unfortunately, this TA falls in the other 1%. It’s just business. I’ve worked with Jeff Brown and Mike Hamilton both, my opinion hasn’t changed; both are good, hard working peers and volunteers. But anyone can make a mistake occasionally; this TA is a mistake. Don’t take it personally. Also, don’t take concessions. We can vote no without demonizing our airline or our fellow Pilots.


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I respectfully disagree. Your CURRENT contract is not the best contract in the industry. I have a perspective from both a legacy and now FDX. Currently FDX is far superior in the following areas.

1. Retirement- Pension and DC plan

2. Pay- Hourly rates combined with work rules pay substantially more per day of work. Especially on international trips!

3. Pay- Almost entire career on WB pay

4. Vacation- 6 hours per day of vacation and hard line bidding makes for substantially better vacation in pay and days off with conflicting. You can expand and slide vacation and knock out substantially more than even the credit you have for vacation. Apples vs Oranges with a PBS vacation system.

5. Scheduling- Once again hardline bidding and the ability to conflict. Layer on top of that our numerous tools to trade/drop/swap and it is night and day compared to PBS

This is not meant as a you know what comparison but reality from someone who has seen a legacy and FDX. Truly hope you guys can get a great contract.
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Old 06-28-2022, 06:30 PM
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And United is superior in the following areas: Oh wait, those are all the areas.

Our “union” gets it right never.

I’m not demonizing United—not yet—but I absolutely will demonize the foul creatures who crafted this abomination.
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by UALinIAH View Post
Nothing in the TA about it. A self funded additional retirement option if they can get the IRS to bite off but that’s it. Not even getting our Profit Sharing to have the 16% like DAL. One of the many reasons it was DOA.
It's sad that because of our own failure we now need to rely on DAL to secure a fair and equitable contract. Had we had a ME TOO instead of a TOO ME this thing might pass. But how pathetic is it that we couldn't deliver a contract for DAL? If this fails and I believe it will we need to see the MEC do the right thing and resign.
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Mytime2025 View Post
It's sad that because of our own failure we now need to rely on DAL to secure a fair and equitable contract. Had we had a ME TOO instead of a TOO ME this thing might pass. But how pathetic is it that we couldn't deliver a contract for DAL? If this fails and I believe it will we need to see the MEC do the right thing and resign.
Believe me I’m as embarrassed as you. Hell we still owe DAL for the 777 “Delta Dot” that got us C2000 lol
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Old 06-28-2022, 07:49 PM
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Is there a reason why I can not cast a vote on this poll?
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:14 PM
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Please cast my vote for me…..No
We need new ALPA negotiators who have the line pilots interests at heart. They were obviously distracted by a select few who are being carved out to receive benefits on the backs of reserves and line pilots with concessions being made by them. I see no reason to support this.
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Old 06-28-2022, 08:21 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot View Post
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but no pay raises is much worse with current inflation.

I’ll take the bird in the hand strictly based on the last 2 years economic condition of the company and the forward looking economic situation. Plus its only a 2 year deal so we restart negotiations hopefully right as the economy improves, Delta and American get some pay raises and the company has been profitable for a while.

Also getting something is a step and makes it easier to get our next step up, instead of trying to get it all in one shot in 3-4 years while having given up pay raises we would have had but turned down. 15% raises at the onset of an inflation for a company that has lost Billions in the last 2 years is something to think about.

I would like to vote no out of anger or spite, but it doesn’t gain us anything.
If the economy is going down the toilet then why would Delta and AA get raises? There will be nothing to leapfrog 2 (read: 6) years from now - but the work rules will still be gone.
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Old 06-28-2022, 09:37 PM
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Originally Posted by FriendlyPilot View Post
I don’t like it one bit. But given the current economic situation with a recession on the horizon, probably a long and deep one, getting anything is a win. People are saying that it barely beats inflation, but …
What idiots are saying that? It comes nowhere near beating inflation.

And that is CPI, which significantly UNDERSTATES actual inflation. But anything LESS than CPI is friggin’ ridiculous in an era where the pilot shortage gives pilot groups more leverage than ever before.
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Old 06-28-2022, 09:47 PM
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Originally Posted by iahflyr View Post
Ok, why don’t you go to an airline that pays $500/hr?? Oh, there aren’t any… Why don’t you go to an airline that pays $400/hr? The only passenger airline I know would be United under this TA. But since you clearly don’t like us having industry leading pay rates, you ought to be good at your airline making $300/hr. Oh…. Southwest doesn’t even pay $300/hr???

Maybe you should spend some more time on your Southwest board and get the your Southwest pay rates closer to what you believe your responsibilities and contributions are worth. Report back when you get there. Until then, don’t let the door hit you in the @ss on the way out!
Uh, we are all counting on you?
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Old 06-29-2022, 02:31 AM
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Yes. At times I have thought twice about coming to United. At times I have regretted my decision.

Yes. I have been disappointed.

If the pilots at UAL turn down this agreement and on the other side show solidarity and strength, my faith in the industry and pilot group will be restored.
It's not going to pass but yes you are right we should never have gotten to this point. I also blame ALPA national. They are weak and completely out of touch. A serious look should be considered at taking the union in house and moving away from ALPA. UPS did it and they have a very solid contract. FEDEX is the only solid contract inside ALPA but that's because their pilots demand it. United pilots are now put to the test for the future let's hope we can deliver. I'm willing to strike and lay it all on the line for a better future for not just myself but all those in the future. The MEC effed this up like no other since I've been here. Oh wait they flushed our pensions my bad.
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