One good thing about this TA
 

Sending this turd seems to have finally started it get his pilot group engaged and unified. Maybe we can actually make some gains going forward if this continues and it’s not just chests thumping.

Exactly, being ununified has probably been our biggest weakness. If this concessionary offer doesn’t wake us up, don’t know what will.
Full airplanes and Kirby’s plans make this the one time for all of us to raise the bar, not lower it. SMH

The good thing about the TA is its so bad. Marginally "ok" would have been worse and more divisive. This TA hurts everyone, thankfully.

I would disagree with that…

It helps out LCA’s who are underpaid for the work they do.

It helps out people within 2 years of retirement who can get both their retro pay and increased pay prior to retirement. If this TA gets shot down, it’s probably another year before we see another TA, and who knows what we will have to give up on that TA to get some positive changes to this one.

It helps out female pilots who are planning to have a baby.

It helps out anyone who needs the raise now. Buying a house in the next year, you might want the income now for your loan approval.

I bet there will be at least 33% yes voters. It definitely won’t be a 100/0 No.

Sounds like the LCAs aren't happy either. This TA looks to me like one big accounting move. We pay for our own raise with higher health costs, irreversible loss of QOL, loss of PPU, etc etc. And the raise is not a raise anyway. Maybe those retiring will vote yes, but some have said no and I have a ton of respect for that. I'll remember to pay that forward one day. I think they'll benefit more by demanding full retro on a better TA.

It only helps LCA doing straight IOE. The more common line checks it’s often a pay cut. Day trip EWR-MCO round. DH 1 way JS for check the other. Current contract now pays 5 hrs of LCA pay. New contract with higher rate for only the time in the JS. The rest of the trip and rig is all straight pay. LCA loses money. The devil is in the details.

Need a raise now? Upgrade! There are unfilled CA vacancies right now. Anyone off probation can get a raise anytime they want! And they won’t have to commute up the night before.

Even worse - PIs? Yeah get a raise but no more furlough protection. Our TK juniors are protections from furloughs. Now they can just furlough and get retirees or even worse high the furloughees back for what rate? Oh we don’t know do we because it’s not even codified.


You have to come up with something better


I’ll give you the maternity and the Tumi

Hilarious take. People turn down a realistic 30%-50% raise because work rules suck, and the company/union golf buddy answer is a 14.5% raise for even worse work rules plus scope erosion.

Now I'm thinking baseline raise for current work rules is something like 30%-50%. If they give us better work rules then maybe 20% DOS would be acceptable.